It wasn’t op to begin with why was it nerfed ? why make reaver so much better and Fel- scarred so much worse if people wanted to play reaver then thats fine . but why nerf Fel-Scarred when it wasnt even Close to being OP ? …
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They told us they would make up for AMN removal.
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Because 99% of havoc dh were using it and blizzard wanted to force us to play the other one this season
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I’m sure the dev behind aldrachi got their feelings hurt when everyone said it was bad season 1 and wanted to force it this season
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AR is easier to play. FS relied too much on AMN and lining up inertia/EB/Essb/SOS
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AR is more engaging. Wounded Quarry enables us to be a prio burst class which is great for m+. It also gives us some great sustained since we don’t have uncapped AoE.
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A passive and then 3 abilities that essentially had the same cd were difficult to line up? Not sure I’m following
AR is not hard to play, it’s incredibly annoying to play. It’s full RNG.
FS at least rewarded you for using your skills as they mattered.
We have 0 burst in M+, which automatically makes us a horrible pick for anything that matters.
We are not going to be meta, not with our current tuning. Havoc is pretty mid in M+ atm and nowhere near close to the likes of Fire Mage, Sub Rogue or Boomies.
Prio damage is pointless if it takes you 30 minutes to kill a mob. That’s why prio burst is WAY more valuable than the funnel we have.
We have prio burst with wounded Quarry. What are you saying? It was so OP at the start they had to nerf it because it would have made some ridiculous pulls into boss for the boss funnel.
I’m moving on to 11s and I keep up with almost every class. Boomies are still a bit broken. But I think we have some really great burst AoE after reavers glaive and it empowering eyebeam. For once eyebeam feels strong again.
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Having funnel doesn’t mean it’s bursty. It means that all physical damage that we do funnels onto one target.
It was OP as hell on PTR because it was bugged.
And no, Havoc still won’t be meta because the profile is absolutely atrocious. Even if funnel is a good thing to have, it is largely too weak to be relevant onto anything in M+ considering, yet again, that Havoc has no burst, at least in comparison to spec with a bursty profile.
A Fire Mage spamming Pyros onto a main target does their prio burst damage function a million times better than Havoc does in a short period of time. Because yet, again, letting something live for a long period of time is largely undesirable, and that’s the reason sustained profiles are more often than not, trash.
Thank you Aldrachi Reaver for bringing back everything Havoc players wanted to move away from. Sustained DPS, uptime dependency and keeping a debuff minigame.
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AR doesn’t feel natural to play at all. Its flow is horrible. They needs to fix FS asap.
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Feel neither of you know how to play AR and how it works.
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There’s different damage profiles. Having a strong sustained damage for packs that live a long time isn’t a bad thing. I run with an elly sham and once every 3 mins his uncapped AoE clobbers. But then is useless for the next few packs.
The funnel damage is quite strong, espcially on large pulls. Also with AR, you’re getting 10% increase on eyebeam, which hits really hard now. So we do have burst AoE.
I know how it works, 99 average parsing in HC and 97 in Mythic.
You can be good at something and still don’t like it.
Here is the thing, you usually run weith multiple specs that each pop in different packs and not at the same time.
So if your shaman pops CDs on the first pack, then maybe you run with a Fire Mage that can also pop on every single pack because their Combustion practically has no CD and still burst for insane amounts of damage, or a Sub Rogue that also has insane burst and prio on a 1:30 timer.
Havoc doing top damage on a pack means it is living for far too long.
About the Eye Beam part, if you are talking about Thrill of the Fight, it’s 15%, not 10%. And it’s not nearly enough to call it bursty when compared to other specs.
Havoc is a consistent damage spec, you won’t pull 6-7M AoE like other specs do on 5-6 target counts, but you’ll pull consistently 3-4M. And the funnel is whatever in the situations I described before. It’s not strong enough for it to matter, and it’s certainly not strong enough to make Havoc part of any meta comp.
And of course, that was just describing facts. Then you have the horrendous gameplay part that is attached to all of this.
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Erm actually I did a +7 yesterday and I was top damage on the AoE packs so I think you might just not understand aldansi raver very much. It has the best in slot burst and top sustained
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I’m not arguing havoc will be meta. Not to mention our lack of utility. I fully understand we have gaps especially since I can’t pug into a +10 key even though I have them all timed.
With thrill though and the eyebeam talents, double eyebeam after meta is quite bursty. I don’t disagree though with what you’re saying.
Veng is looking really strong for mythic+ and with AR very tanky. It would t surprise me if veng is meta this season. Or at a minimum tied with prot pally and maybe bear.
But the thing, it really isn’t. We are nowhere near close to the burst of other specs.
Then again Eye Beam is a 20 second CD so it can’t be bursty by definition. Then again Fire Mage has Combustion ready for every pull thanks to their tier set and retains all of their -overtuned- burst.
Let’s just say it’s yet another season in which Havoc tuning isn’t the best, at least in M+. In raids we are good so far because bosses last for a year and a half in prog, we will naturally drop down the ranks as kill times gets shorter and other specs get better gear.
The RNG rarely matters if you play it correctly.
Yeah 99 parsing claiming AR is garbage spec lol this dude is trolling. And if not he’s lying and has no idea what’s going on.