I think you really should take a step back and separate context of a post vs context of the conversation you two were having.
Horde included btw, which WAS NOT in vanilla, but didn’t prevent the horde crybabies form going WAAAWAAA I WANT TO QUEUE WITH MY FRIENDS
Yeah, it helps alliance a lot to be corpse camped 10 times instead of 4.
These changes are made to help the horde. Full stop.
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It still warrants a separate topic. I am being specific to AV. If he wants to start a topic in that context he is more than welcome to.
Look, I get that. But you were the person talking about hurting their own faction. He retorted with one about the Horde doing the same.
The context either needs to be players take advantage in general, or both premades and WSG premade exploit applies.
I disagree because they also include a change that stops AVs from starting with few people. If what you’re saying was true then this would be the only change needed. If a premade drops then it waits 2 mins for pugs to fill and then starts. That’s it. There’s no need to revert wpvp back to P2 to give ally puggers in AV relief and there’s no need to punish ally just because they’re the ones that under represented especially after we’ve been farmed constantly for months.
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How does it help the Alliance PUGs? It only hurts the premades that have a small or set player pool, it doesn’t effect the massive discords that queue with 200-300 people at a time which are the ones causing a majority of the problems. Sure, you might get screwed out of a game every once and a while because you got put into one that was already started, but a majority of the time those huge premades will all get into the same game and will move to a discord channel based on the AV number THAT WILL STILL BE VISIBLE INSIDE THE INSTANCE.
The real thing that we all know is that these changes will not really stop the pre-mades for the Alliance. The folks running the discords are already figuring out ways to adjust the system to accommodate to the upcoming changes.
All these changes did was make the pre-mades work differently. It does not stop them.
I will bet you that 2-3 days after the change, the pre-mades will be back in AV and we will all be right back here with the same issue.
The honor change should have been applied to AV only but I play on a PvE server. 