Victory for Sylvanas!
She’s the only interesting character we have left.
Victory for Sylvanas!
She’s the only interesting character we have left.
I want her back, Cowman dead (he’s a literal traitor) and one of the Alliance leaders dead, since we’re saving the Night Elf one from her own stupidity. Preferably Jaina or Anduin.
Until Sylvanas is dead.
There is no salvation for the Sylvanas we know today, sorry but you don’t get to just burn thousands of people to death knowing their souls are being sent straight to hell to be used as fuel for your masters grand scheme and then become the “good” guy. Now if like Uther, her soul was split into two and the “good” part is locked away in the Maw. Well that part we can fee and it can have it’s peaceful afterlife but the current Sylvanas has been fitted for a toe tag.
She doesn’t give a single “F” about us. She is doing all of this because she is terrified of returning to the Maw when she finally dies. She has zero issues with sending all of us there, if it means she can avoid it.
Booooo! In the immortal words of the SW guards…
“GET A ROPE!”
The ol’ Tiffin slayer.
The only valid argument for keeping her alive is just so Danuser can’t ruin another character in her place.
Why should they be redeemed?
All of their bad deeds and no regrets. Whatever she’s up to, she’s crazy and needs to be stopped. Whoever deserves redemption is Garrosh, there is still potential in him.
So Blizz, I’m waiting!
Oh man, justifying genocide and torture of innocents is a slight hiccup.
Edit:
Also the only actual justification Sylvanas has or will ever have that’s legitimate is “Because the writer said so”-- Plot Powers, activate!
I think we have to distinguish between Blizzard’s work of fiction that has been ground over time into the purest Mary Sue fanfic and that as a metaphysical discussion of whether any soul is beyond redemption.
Personally, I’m really done with Blizz’s force fitting existing characters into convenient plot devices. It makes them uninteresting and difficult to follow expansion to expansion. The lack of consistency kills what little immersion there is.
Now as a discussion of redemption as a concept, sure, she’s as good an example as any. Being that we are not omniscient, we can never know all the repercussions of her direct and indirect actions. Likewise we’re not good at being fully knowledgeable of our own motivations and reactions, let alone someone else’s. Do we judge for or against because we need laws to maintain some kind of order? Do we know when to make exceptions and when to never make exceptions? Great stuff to talk about over some hot cocoa and Grumbles’ cookies.
Lmao. Yep. Sad. You know its an Activision employee too lmao.
I don’t “Hate” Sylvanas, I just don’t care. In order for me to hate her, it would require me to care about her story ark (there is none after they tossed it in the bin).
They ran out of real villains and creative content, now they’re burning the rest of their building down. It started with Arthas (the kitchen fire), well it now spread to the living room, the bed room, and whatever is left. Soon enough there probably won’t be much of a house if they don’t stop it.
If they can stop the terrible story plots and remodel the house, they might have something going, but Blizzard hasn’t identified the problem yet. They’re busy washing dishes while their house is on fire.
I don’t see past, or present experiences as an excuse or a way to justify crimes. If someone abuses you or treats you unfairly, it is your responsibility to detach yourself from that feeling and identify it. If you can’t approach or handle your emotions with neutrality and reason, then it’s not going to be effective in story telling.
If we apply this “but this and this happened, they’re not evil” … well look at the USA’s history with serial killers. They mustn’t be bad either. In fact some of them even seem like “Great” people, other than the fact they committed grotesque crimes against innocents.
“Threaten your freedom.” According to her living in Azeroth is a “prison.”
Life is a “Prison.”
They have utterly destroyed her story ark entirely which was in opposition to Arthas. But they never fixed the issue by Killing Arthas, they actually opened up a Pandora’s box, now they’re making villains of leaders. By default, the players associated with them. This intersectionality implies players of one faction are “Good” or “Bad” while destroying the real life mature aspects in how an audience may handle a situation. Instead they applied grade school level thinking to a story that is black and white with no in between.
Someone is being generous. Too generous…
My money is on Jaina, simply based on the writers political bias.
Eh… fact of the matter… ever since the attacks she pulled during Cataclysm… against the direct orders of the Warcheif… I have always wondered why she and the Forsaken haven’t been drummed out of the Horde.
If she gets redeemed at this point… after everything that she has pulled… after all the deaths she has caused and all the souls she has damned… we will be doing circles around the shark with how many times we’ve jumped it.
At the end of BFA’s “storyline” with Sylvanas, after her “The horde is nothing” sentiment, the Horde became a “Democracy”, so there won’t be a “leader of the horde,” so don’t hold your breath.
Citations from in game dialogue:
Lor’themar: The Alliance has sent word. They have agreed to the armistice. This bitter war is finally over.
Baine: At last we can begin to heal our wounded Earth Mother… and the wounded Horde as well.
Lor’themar: One question remains. Who will serve as warchief? Perhaps, you, Thrall, would–
Thrall: No. I told Saurfang I would not lead the Horde again.
Thrall: But perhaps the question is not who will become warchief… but whether there should be one at all.
Lor’themar: Though the Horde has changed through the years–for good or ill–our people have always looked to a warchief to guide us forward.
Baine: That legacy must end. The war nearly cost us everything. There is no place for a warchief in a time of peace.
Thrall: It is true–the Horde has changed. Our ranks have grown, and new voices have stepped forth to lead.
Thrall: This is what makes us strong. All of us, building a new future–together.
Okay, but what are you getting at?
I don’t quite understand what you are trying to tell me? but if you mean Garrosh, he still has potential as a dead man in the Shadowlands. Not that he comes back to us …
I’ve known that since it came out, but thanks.
Lol I meant specifically The Horde having a leader. I make no assumptions about what people know, I am just throwing it out there.
Yes, I know there is no longer a warchief but a council to lead the Horde.
It’s a sham too. >.>