I’m fine with them adding a melee-spec to the class. What they shouldn’t have done is removing RSV in the process.
Time for that 4th spec!
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Tbh people should prob stop tryna get another Range Class out of SV hunter. What they should do is fix the melee class they created instead of “change it to range”
Making it range doesn’t change the issues of SV.
Imo they need to:
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Make Mongoose bite baseline.
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Buff Bombs
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Give us some utility, if we can shoot serpent sting from a crossbow we can get Binding shot. Don’t give us this and gave us a long single target
Greedy:
4. Make WFI Baseline
- Make Alpha Pred or Geurilla Tactics Baseline
No people are trying to either get a 4th spec as range or change surv back to what it has always been until Legion a range spec.
Once again the first few years of surv melee was defensive abilities to alow players to get back into range to use their ranged offensive abilities.
Nothing is going to change the issues of the current msurv . Blizz might throw a little something here or there to make the people playing it think they care but they won’t put any real effort into it because not enough play it to make really worth their time.
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You mean spec?
Either way…
That’s not what most of us are doing. Most here are in favor of adding RSV back as a 4th option to the class.
“fix”?
As long as it remains a melee spec, those within the class who play it for the ranged weapon-aspect will keep avoiding it(bar a few who might be playing MSV to).
The issues we have with current SV is the fact that it’s just that…MSV.
Hence why we are in favor of the 4th spec option.
It kind of does, actually, since it once was ranged and it didn’t have all these issues.
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Yeah like none of these will “fix” MSV btw.
There are tons of people who started playing post Legion revamp and those people could choose to be a melee weapon wielding hybrid wilderness survivalist. The whole “hunters rolled to be ranged” fallacy is outdated. It doesn’t explain why people who like melee and never played WoW don’t roll SV hunter.
The class icon is still a bow.
The character creation idle animations have a bow/gun/crossbow equipped.
You can’t honestly tell me that the people who clicked on the Bow icon and created a character standing around doing idle bow animations didn’t intend to play a character who uses a bow.
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Fair point.
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No it’s not .Most still roll hunters to be ranged.
Because when they think melee they don’t thin hunter even if it is a melee one.
They think warrior or paladin or rogue. Hunters no matter what kind they are do not give the sense of swords or axes grinding. They see hunter and think pew pew.
Msurv was a failed experiment but one that has to stay because once again to take the spec that was once ours and given to melee away from them would be just as wrong as what happened to us. A 4th spec needs to be added and to be honest the melee surv should get behind and support it .
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Wait whaaaaaat? Thats ridiculous. Ive been told that this has nothing to do with why people hate msv.
Here is the funny part. For all the if we do this they will come. If we do that they will come. It wont happen. MSV has been redesigned twice in two expansions. That rarely happens. Especially to this degree. On top of that if you made MSV the top hunter spec. Hunters would lose their collective minds as they would feel forced to play a melee spec when they wanted to be a physical ranged spec. However if they added in RSV as a fourth spec it would make those of us that love it happy. On top of that they could make RSV a mid tier spec that is viable to the Niche group of players that like it. In the same vein as the rarely played feral druid. Bring back RSV.
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You’ve been told? Lol. It’s a fact. I have played this class since launch and now it effectively has two specs. I don’t want to play melee, there are far better classes for doing so.
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the fact that there are only .03% players playing SV your “fact” is as accurate as a CNN report on Donald Trump
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I am not disputing that. I was challenging the notion that SVs unpopularity was primarily because ranged hunters didnt want to play melee. Adreaver made a good point that hunter’s ranged incarnations are still the face of the class for new players. That still doesnt explain why more Warrior, Rogue, Monk and DK players dont have SV alts. Clearly they like melee and they definitely have alts. We just left an expansion that strongly encouraged alt creation with a slew of allied races.
There are a lot of other reasons the spec is unpopular.
Well the whole point of chosing an alt of a different class is to do something different right? Otherwise why not have 50 warriors? So if you’re coming from a melee class to the hunter class, why would you roll survival? Just a dose of what you’ve been doing but now worse and with a pet. On top of pretty much every hunter you’ve likely seen for the past 2 months has more than likely been BM or MM, so why not see what those pesky ranged hunters have to go through?
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Yes… thats one more reason its not popular- to my point of the lack of popularity not being attributable solely to old ranged hunters.
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Outdated? Right now, this exact moment in time, people play hunter to be a ranged class, lmao but according to you, it’s outdated 
12 survival hunters kinda gets outweighed by the tens of thousands of BM/MM hunters.
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hundreds of thousands*
There’s actually some truth to this. Scorned ranged Survival players is only part of the story. There are plenty of players nowadays who never played Hunters or even the game at all before Legion. So it can’t be the sole reason SV is unpopular.
The problem SV has, besides the obvious competitive content issues, is it’s the only spec that feels like a trade-off. Hunters are still viewed as the ranged weapon class. Ranged weaponry is prominent in all the supporting material, e.g. Blizzard’s official class outlines and the log-in screen. The class icon is still a bow, after all. So having a spec that takes away the ranged weapons is a huge ask; it will feel like a downgrade to most people. This is why recently I’ve been emphasising that Survival is the only spec who’s differentiating feature is a weakness compared to the base class. Every other class builds on part of its foundation while Survival takes away from it. This is a fundamental issue with the concept of a melee Hunter spec that’s independent of the history of the class.
When you create a Hunter you level 1-10 entirely using a ranged weapon. The game doesn’t even give you a melee weapon directly, nor is melee combat even clearly stated in Survival’s description when the game gives an outline for each spec to you. A new player who picks Survival is just given Raptor Strike, sees that it requires a 2-handed weapon, sees that the spec page says “Recommended weapon: Polearm/Staff”, then has to pick up a melee weapon off the vendor on the way out of the Orgrimmar barracks and throw away the ranged weapon, therefore no longer being able to use the abilities they just used for the entire 1-10 experience. It’s jarring and it reinforces the feeling that speccing Survival means giving away part of the core class.
Blizzard knows this is a problem and have tried to address it. In Shadowlands you at least keep Arcane Shot and Steady Shot so you aren’t literally losing abilities entirely, as opposed to Legion and BFA, but I think this is a pretty futile effort. The only way to make it truly work is to bring back the dual ranged/melee weapon slot system for all 3 specs but that wouldn’t go down well with the ranged specs and being melee-focused would still be a hindrance in the long run for Survival.
It will always be nearly impossible to make a melee weapon spec appealing in a class centred around ranged weapons. Ranged weapons are just much more unique in this game. It takes an extremely strong personal preference towards melee to overcome that, and then you need the combination of that plus affinity towards Hunters and not one of the plentiful pool of melee specs in this game. That’s why I’m of the opinion that it was just a bad concept and no amount of dressing will ever make it good, and that melee Hunters should at most be represented via a talented option within BM. It’s just not a good idea to choose spec directions based on uniqueness alone and not consider other factors. What good is a spec if it’s unique only in its weakness?
TL;DR: Hazzikostas once said:
And he was wrong on this. The overwhelming amount of people coming to the Hunter class, both new players and rerolls, are going to find the ranged weapon options to be more intriguing. Even if all the former ranged Survival Hunters quit forever this will remain a barrier to SV ever being a popular spec.
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