This. This. This.
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I agree that the Void Elf lore, what little of it there is, is flimsy. Iâd personally like more in-game lore development for them.
With that said, my comment that you quoted was meant in reference to those still asking for a playable Alliance High Elf allied race. Itâs just so unlikely now, far more than it ever was before due to High Elf customization being added to Void Elves.
I very much doubt Blizzard will add another Thalassian derivative allied race now that they seem to be adding derivative races as customization options. So because I âsee that writing on the wallâ, I turned my efforts towards asking for the options I feel are necessary to complete the Alliance High Elf aesthetic, rather than continuing to ask for an allied race that has a minute chance of ever materializing.
Asking for customization seems to be the best hope to at least get close to what I want, so my efforts are being devoted in that regard.
Lann has stated that he wishes to see AR customization halt until âcore racesâ finish customization (which they did), and is therefore a lie.
What he actually wishes is for satisfactory customization and still wishes to see AR customization halt until that is met to his standards.
Iâm not going over this again with you.
High elves were the most logical and easiest way to create the most hype for Shadowlands.
After that, they donât need to put any effort into showing you more AR customization that would net them significantly less noise.
So why would they do it?
Oh, yeah, they didnât, because they donât need to, they know people know AR customization is coming.
Uh yeah, Lann is greedy for wanting additional customization for his Blood elf when heâs actively campaigning for others to get nothing until heâs satisfied, instead of campaigning to Blizzard for what he would actually like to see, like a reasonable, non-spiteful person.
This isnât a hard concept if your sense of fairness is in tune, which we both know it isnât Tarrok. 
Youâre adorable how you have to cut up my little sentence to cover up your hypocrisy for acting like people are horrible for wanting stuff to happen when we were told it would happen should happen before a race that got a lot of stuff before it was supposed to should get any more, and that it should be your stuff and not stuff for the people who actually like the race, who if I remember correctly, you like to treat as unworthy of getting anything as your request is sooooo much more important.
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Which we agree with.
Cezol, you know they are literally doing that with Maghar Orcs right?
Because by your own argument: its no risk, its no effort.
Why does your own argument not apply back to you, when they share the same skeleton like Blood Elf/Void Elf?
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Void Elves have imo already skipped the line and taken time away from BEs. NB would be the first AR imo that should receive work. And yes I want more BE customizations, my point of reference will always be in relation to Blood Elves and Void Elves because those are the two I play, but I would be very happy if Blizzard redirects attention back to core races. Whether that means BEs receiving more attention to address BE player concerns or they go back and touch up on Worgen, Tauren, it doesnât matter those are all core races I feel the expansion was sold on for customizations.
ARs were assumed to not even be getting things and Iâm beyond happy they are but I do feel core races should come first, and others do too no ones a bad person because of it, the âanti player optionsâ spin youâre trying to say isnât cool imo but itâs not surprising either from you.
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He simply wants core races focused on, and some have been pretty neglected. Itâs a fair point.
I wanted playable helfs asap myself, but belves really didnât get a lot, especially in comparison to other races.
I want more for my nelves as well, but I do think races that got very little should come first, or races that started out with less options in the first place.
He isnât saying velfs should never get more, or even that he has to personally be satisfied with what belfs get before velfs get more either. You are putting words in his mouth.
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This is as far as I could read in this thread after the headache that you have been enduring dearie, you have a lot more patience than me these last few days with these people.
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Youâre adorable for thinking youâre the victim when Blood Elves have in-fact received customization much like all core races, regardless of their quality and your opinions of them.
So like I told Lann, say what you really mean, not that Blood Elves need to âgetâ their customization before they even think of moving forward, that Blood Elf customization âneeds to satisfy meâ before moving forward.
The definition of greed.
So youâre complaining why then?
So weâre just back to me explaining how popular the high elf demand isâŠor?
The Skin tones and eyes that Void Elves received were outright copied from the additional Blood elf customization you pretend doesnât exist, that is the exact opposite of âtaking time from BEsâ.
And they will, after the ARs actually get their turn to receive any new customization, instead of having them turn around and work more on Core races because youâre not satisfied.
Iâm not satisfied with Worgen customization, iâm more than happy to wait until after all ARs get the work they need for them to continue adding more to core races, even if thatâs after ARs, thatâs where we differ.
You believe its a competition.
He has actively claimed that Void Elves should receive nothing until heâs satisfied with Blood elf and core race customization and hides under core races âreceivingâ their customization.
I never said heâs not allowed to be upset with his customization, the dirty part is when he believes that all other AR customization should be pushed back until Blood elf customization is up to his standards even after knowing that Blood Elves have indeed received customization.
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Which doesnât include whining for 13 years because the pretty pixel elves were given to the wrong side?
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He has never said belf customization has to be up to his standards before velfs can get more.
I never believed Blood Elves were on the wrong side, the evil elves belong to the evil faction.
I believed the High Elves that the Alliance factual has should be playable on the Alliance, as all in-game lore supports.
As you laughably continue to complain about to this day. 
So then he has nothing to complain about, after all, Blood Elves did in fact receive customization and he will be more than ok in waiting for ARs to be touched upon before they add more of what he would like to see for Blood Elves.
If he didnât that I wouldnât even be here, read the convo he had with Exacitor and Nico before I even joined in.
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Cezol, that breaks your entire argument.
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Judging by your own reaction, the Maghar Orc customization is very little fanfare and the race isnt as popular compared to Void Elves. So that, they need to generate hype portion is null.
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They are basically receiving 1 for 1 jewelry options from the Orcs (even more with different colorations and TUSK options). Which are zero effort and zero risk, much similar to the high elf customization.
Essentially, Blizzard could have do this to the other skeleton sharing races across the board, but didnt. Which means that not all the allied races were given the same time as the others (regardless of effort).
Which leaves us:
- With specific core races being half baked in terms of customization
- Effort and time being given to ARs for just 1 for 1 rips from core models (to which they didnt even extent it to all of them).
So we have both some core races being screwed over, but also allied races being left behind.
Well yeah, but blizzard seems to keep pretending the SC isnât basically the evil hate group that they created it as.
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Here we go. Again. With this.
No. Better stuff in the game is a good thing.
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They havenât received much in comparison to some other core races, especially the men who donât even get the jewelry options the women got.
The fact is, thereâs a big disparity between what races are receiving. The quality of draenei jewelry combined with the number of options they get plus the multiple color schemes is amazing compared to the jewelry belf women got, that they got in only two colors.
I canât blame him for wanting more options for belves and other core races before velfs get additional options.
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Generate more hype is different than generating any hype.
From the beginning reveal of Shadowlands, the most exciting part about it has been customization and Torghast, why not add onto that with an easy target like High Elves?
So how are you defending their addition to core races even after the high elf customization reveal. Core race customization didnât stop after that blue post, it continued on, so Blood elves received less customization despite the shoddy skin and eye port to Void Elves.
You canât just blame minimum effort ports for the âsubparâ customization, they had the time, even after the fact.
So weâre done then. Didnât think youâd have anything to add.
Donât need to blame him for his interest, doesnât mean they arenât anti player to suggest as such.
For him to suggest the halt of AR customization in general until Blizzard goes back and fixes the blood elf customization that he did receive, is in itself greedy, because it has never been a competition, we all ask for what weâd like to see and hope Blizzard sees us.
We donât ask for what weâd like other players not receive until we receive additional things to our standard.
Thatâs outright bad manners. 
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To be fair, the nelves are making out like bandits with the leaf hair options. Thatâs an amazing change.
HElfers need to take it down a notch. VE have done very well and its not unreasonable for people to take umbrage at HElfers demanding more and more when other races are in dire need. Learn to be happy and, heaven forbid, even grateful.
Using emoji to cover the spite isnât as effective as some might think.
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That doesnt change what I said:
I said they can use the high elves as the flagship and have the other allied races along with it as extra sweeting to the pot.
You were the one who kept objecting that they needed hype.
Because it isnt just Blood Elves, a few races got shafted. it was very clear that certain races got less focusâŠwhich was the point of focusing on the core races for customization revamp.
I can, because they didnt even put the minimum effort in for all the Allied Races, when they went above and beyond with Maghar to add different colours to the jewelry and another customization options regular Orcs didnt have.
Thats BS and you know it.
How can you be contrarian with this âbare effortâ thing, when they didnt extend such bar effort to the other ARs?
Well, I mean void elves received options already too. Just because it wasnât what you wanted entirely or up to your standards, that doesnât mean they need more for the AR pass, right? Because they got some options already, and since they havenât received more so far, we can assume blizz is donevwith them right? Which was your assumption, that they are done with belves because they havenât added more.
Donât be greedy by asking for more velf stuff because they got some stuff already.
Do you stand by your own argument when it comes to velves being in place of belves?
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