Why Shaman is bad - Checklist edition

No but they won’t be able to turn it into a cheat death mechanic. turning it into a brez or a self rez would be a middle ground that could work. Unless you want it to work like that tinker gem from Remix where if you die it auto rezzes you without losing your buffs and have a 2 min CD. But that is way too strong in PVE for raiding only on a 2 min CD.

Huh?? LMT is always taken in m+ and it’s a useful pickup on multiple fights in all 3 raids.

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In PVE Raiding it’s taken in 2 fights in all 3 raids, It’s taken in M+ for that AOE aspect and spread of the Flame Shock for the PWave Lava Burst combo. But in Raiding it generally isn’t taken. It’s extremely situational and depends on what you are doing in the game.

And that is why you don’t build an entire class tree around an on use utility GCD that are awful except in niche situations.

I’m even saying the Shaman CLASS tree, not even the Hero Talent tree on totemic. They need to start from the ground up and get rid of those nodes and bake them into the class baseline since that is our DNA.

I’m really curious to know what 2 fights YOU think it’s taken in. Because LMT is brought to Eranog, Primal Council, Kurog, Brood (if you’re on adds), Raz, Zaqali, Sark, Gnarlroot, Igira, Larodar, and Tindral.

Just going by a quick look of the Talent tree break downs, It’s only Raz from Vault, Nothing in Abberus and Gnarlroot, Igira, Tindral from Amirdrissal. This is from both wowhead and icy.

Look at what people actually take on WCL, not what seldom-updated guides say you should take. All the fights I mentioned have LMT taken on Mythic more often than not.

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I don’t look at Mythic. Average player base isn’t raiding Mythic.

The reason I look at Mythic specifically is because it guarantees that the logs being considered are, at the very least, competent players. Whereas you can very easily get carried as a pug through heroic. That way you know that if the stats show that a talent is being taken, it’s for a specific reason rather than just copy/pasting a guide or blindly picking talents.

Atrocious grammar aside, this is wildly inaccurate. We have no control over procs of Lava Surge (that enables the free instant cast Lava Burst) and Elemental Blast has a cast time unless you use Nature’s Swiftness (a cooldown) to get the instant variation. Then there are the whacky moments where you don’t have a lava surge proc or the maelstrom for EB or Earth Shock, so you have to throw out a few lightning bolts.

You should probably not only work on communicating your thoughts clearly, but also having an iota of knowledge of what you’re speaking on.

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If you control the primordial waves procs and if this you choose the talent every time you use a maelstrom skill you have a free cast of laba burst…my native language is not English and this is not an English test obviously you don’t even know how it works class

Windspeaker’s Lava Resurgence is taken in the M+ build and not in the Raid build.

I don’t care what your first language is and I’ve mained Elemental since the TBC rework, druid boy. If you played the class or knew anything about it you’d understand the pain points being outlined all over these forums.

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Shaman plays like it’s stuck in 2006

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It was more fun in 2006 in my opinion, so I have to disagree. :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah, I like this one. Devs are in here, but in secret. Hey, look at this one!

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I gave them the perfect list to try to sort with possible answers. I hope they do use this as a reference point.

Our class and spec trees overly bloated. The class tree has 48 nodes with 9 of them being 2 point nodes, resto and ele both have 40 nodes with 10 of them being 2 points, and enh has 39 nodes with 9 of them being 2pointers.

Compare that to locks who have 40 nodes and 10 2point talents in their class tree, affli has 37 nodes and 5 of them are 2 points, destro and demo have 44 and 43 nodes respectively and 0 2 point nodes.

None of this will be addressed. Here’s 10% increase to healing stream totem healing and 10% damage to flame shock DoT damage. Shamans are now fixed.

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Remove precog. There is no reason to put that in the game. Precog was the bandaid to deal with all the micro cc.