Why RDF hurts the game

every server had a network of summoners that you could just whisper and get summoned anywhere. I don’t think I actually physically travelled anywhere in ZG onwards. I paid 5g for a summon to the island for world buffs. I paid 10g for a summon DM and to pick up world buffs with a courtesy portal back to orgrimmar. When BWL/MC was current I paid 5-10g for Kargath ports. I used to pay for naxx and aq summons until my guild set up portals there.

This wasn’t a large server either. This was on some average medium pop server at the time. No one wanted to travel bro. RDF is the future and the way.

Well then we can dismiss that and use ye olde…join guild/play with solid crew of friends.

Most understand pugs are pugs. Or should anyway. There isn’t any quality control here beyond say you must be ilevel x to enter here in retail. Be happy when you get a solid crew. Sigh and roll eyes when you don’t lol.

What do you mean owo, razorfen downs is a great dungeon with a really good atmosphere.

Dungeon Finder is a solution to a problem that many people face, waiting around for tens of minutes staring at LFG chat or at LFG Bullitin Board advertising and seeing if anyone else is wanting to also do that dungeon.

The people that do this are pretty much AFK. They could be doing something else, I’m sure that most people would rather do something else while they’re spamming LFG/M - X every minute but they can’t because if they did they wouldn’t be able to do the dungeon unless someone whispers them directly.

Dungeon Finder solves this issue, the fact that I can do something while also being in queue for a dungeon is a god send. It’s quite hard to do something while also paying attention to LFG chat, dungeon finder solves this issue of waiting around doing nothing.

There’s also the issue of numbers, some servers are very small and don’t have any dungeons being run, I’m going to assume that the version of dungeon finder we get is cross-realm, this was done so that low pop realms can actually run dungeons even if it’s with people that aren’t on their server.

The dungeon teleport is fine, you don’t really give many reasons as to why the teleport is bad. Even if it teleports you to the dungeon and back to where you “popped your queue” how is that any different than me standing outside the instance waiting for another group other than I’m not doing anything else while I wait?

I agree, it does make the world seem smaller, I spent at least 10 minutes thinking of a reason as to why this isn’t the case but I couldn’t think of one. I was going to say that this would only be the case if you were to level only through dungeons but you could easily do that and I think most people would level this way.

I think a reason people don’t bother running questing dungeons is because of the hassle to get to the dungeon only for no one to even advertise or respond to someone actually wanting to do it. With dungeon finder you can passively look for a questing dungeon while you’re leveling and if you don’t find one or you simply out level it then you can start queuing for the next one. I think this is one of the main appeals of dungeon finder.

The idea of people leaving after the boss they want doesn’t drop the loot they wanted is a real issue. I’m sure that this has happened but I’m going to choose to believe that this will be a rare occurence. Now I’d rather this never happen but we’re bound to bump into someone toxic when interacting with that many people in a short timeframe.

Potential bad behaviour while doing dungeons in WotLK will be an issue, even if you leave you’ll be replaced shortly after and that’s probably the best solution outside of kicking the person. As for the other people that are still there, you can only hope that they follow suit and leave too, but in the end that toxic player will still have a group to run with.

Personally I don’t mind the teleport and I think it should remain and increased group control could exacerbate the toxicity, though would require 3/4 of them in the group (which is very likely with friends/guildies).

Conclusion, I think that dungeon finder has it’s place in the game, if you look at the game as a whole I think the benifits outweigh the demerits

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Rdf is basically the same thing as Xrealm bgs. I was against them when server community (and in the case of bgs, faction balance) was actually a thing… But that’s simply not how people play the game today. There’s no sense of community in the judge dredd styled mega city servers we have now, and like Xrealm bgs, rdf is solving a problem.

Worth pointing out as well, that heroics in wrath are way different than heroics in tbc… Wrath dungeons are basically all run in, grab 3 pulls and aoe it all down zug fests. You literally don’t need more than warm bodies for them, and there’s even less reason to care about who comes than there is in tbc. Just get in, get moving, and start blasting so everyone can get their bonus daily badges and then go and do something they actually care about.

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Weren’t we able to avoid being placed in a group with those doinks if we placed them on ignore after a bad encounter. Or was that in a later expansion?

You’re just being petty and don’t respect other peoples time.

There are no downsides to RDF. Just like wow token, and dual spec, it’s all upside for everyone!

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Yep.

My issue on my evil, vile…boosty rogue. i am leveling her crafting. Currrently for skinning this has her deployed to Southern Kalimdor. I got 2 choices. The kalimdor runs…or /dance in eastern plaguelands. One gives skins, will give her xp in crater/silithus (only 59). and I play the game.

Or I watch youtude by strath. No xp, no dino skins for decent armour as I work off the less than great communal.

I only accept this now for the promise of LFD in wrath.

also have a slow natural leveled NE hunter. There goes another dead mines I ain’t making in channel 4 happens often. Here I want to see night elf land pre cata. Never saw it since a late comer. so I see it now. So dead mines is, well, dead to me lol.

I wouldn’t disagree that RDF solves a lot of issues. I’m just trying to figure out why there is a large body of the population that despises it.

To say it has no issues is a flat out lie. If it had no issues everyone would love it. Again, I’ll be using it in any form they give us more than likely. I personally believe it’s the convenience it brings that harbors the worst of traits in us.

For all the reasons it makes it easier to find a group, it makes it that much easier to leave one. RDF will have DPS queueing as heals and tanks to get in fast. Someone needs to take a small break? Zoomers won’t wait and will leave, and if you think that the tank shortage will go away with RDF, boy do I have troubles for you.

The days of DPS queues reading 30+ mins will be upon us. Nothing like waiting patiently for your turn to get a sweaty tank that leaves the moment the group has a hiccup. They’ll just requeue, sometimes even w/o a penalty, and you’ll have to redo that queue.

These are just some scenarios. RDF will have many successes and I’m not ignoring that. Just trying to use the symptoms of what people dislike to figure out the root of those problems so that it’s not just 80% good but close to that goal of 100.

You are complaining about laziness while playing a video game, bud. I don’t think you’re going to convince many people with that argument.

If LFD bothers you that much, find yourself a guild and only do group runs with them.

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This makes no sense to me, you’ve already outlined why people dislike it so I don’t know why you’re now posing the question.

I have 3 paragraphs talking about the bad behaviour that might result from dungeon finder.

Well at least I can be in a queue while doing something other than waiting around afk staring at LFG.

No offense but I feel like you didn’t really read what I typed, I know it was a lot but all of your points I already touched on in my post… Bad behaviour, questing dungeons, why dungeon finder is needed, impact on world immersion. You’re kinda just saying the same things as your original post and aren’t really responding to me at least, that’s how I see it.

What response would I like, I honestly don’t know. This might just be my muddled mind when I’m about to go to sleep (11:50pm) and tomorrow when I wake up I’ll feel completely different about it but currently that’s how I feel.

Anyway night. :sleeping_bed:

You’ll still use RDF in guilds. Your point is mute.

So read my first post and the last sentence before the edit. It’s always been my question, you just need to read!

And I agree with those. But to say it solves some of them isn’t true either, just remasters them in a new way. We’ll always have toxic players and I’m not sure how to get rid of them or limit their behaviors.

I think you might be too sleepy. This isn’t an attacking post on RDF, just an opinion one on why I think people interpret it poorly from some angles.

Our guy was called FiveStarUber and it was amazing. Could go anywhere, including some of the more awkward and odd places to avoid PvP skirmishes and purging.

That will be so great. I can’t wait to be able to get my dps alts in a queue and only have to wait 30 to 45 minutes to get a dungeon run. We should have had the lfd in BC.

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They are already using a version of it now in TBC Classic.
RFD was not any downfall of any game - Provide empirical evidence that shows this please?

Great! So when a tank leaves because they have an instant queue you get to wait it out again!

RDF*. This is an opinion thread. If you’re trying to interpret it more than that you’ll only be disappointed.

That can happen in pugs too. Sometimes even a guild member has a family emergency and needs to drop group. It didn’t happen to me any more often after the lfd was added then before in other runs. It was always a rare event. If it was an actual recurring problem for you when it was added in the original game you’re just very unlucky. or you’re lying about it.

Please provide any data that supports your analysis.

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There isn’t a large population, its a small, loud minority. Even those that despise it don’t really know why they do, its a bandwagon thing. Happened throughout classic vanilla and TBC. Best to just ignore them.

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deserter debuff solves this problem. No more meta of paying tanks who don’t speak english and reserve the unneeded