PvP in WoW was honestly a pretty meaningless and boring endeavor thats why I shy away from it. There is little to nothing to gain, its terrible honor over other options, you get no gold, you can’t loot anyone, there is no intricate system with factions/reputation/bounties/etc, there are no fun keeps to take, no point to it at all actually.
Its just literally a ghost walk simulator of a concept, thats it, theres no deeper system in place here. Games before WoW Vanillas time were FAR more complex and interesting in regards to PvP, and far more dangerous. That was fun, that was exciting, that was crazy, in some cases 100s or 1000s of hours on the line kind of crazy. Once you go from that to “Vanilla WoW PVP LUL” and start hearing people using words like hardcore vs carebear you kind of laugh at it. I feel like ive lost more when dying in a game of PUBG tbh, but to each there own.
I see PvP as a pointless waste of time with absolutely no purpose outside of BGs/Honor Rewards. That’s why I plan on being on a PvE server. Its the only thing I cant really get from other games and my only goal is to down Naxx, not have ThunderNugger69 camping me and bagging my face for the lulz.
Does the idea/sense of danger that comes from realisation that you can attack/be attacked at any moment in 80+% of the world without your/their consent sound
A.) Fun, exciting, immersive
B.) Annoying, stressful, tedious
If you chose A, go pvp
If you chose B, go pve
I the main reason I play this game is for pvp and battlegrounds BUT you will never find me on a PvP server. I hate ganking people and getting ganked and always will. I want to PvP on my terms and not have my flow of gameplay dictated by the whims of others whenever possible. With that being said, all my IRL friends play on PvP servers and arent bothered at all. Its preference.
I agree with most of what you said. Relative to other MMOs like EVE or DAoC, vanilla WoW has a very shallow system in regards to PvP. In fact a Boolean flag of 0 or 1 is about as deep as the game design went there.
But you can still derive purpose from that. Player renown was very much a thing in OW PvP. Other players weren’t complete anonymous throw away encounters. You remember people/guilds and each encounter builds on the previous.
When we first started this game at launch (a few co-workers and our spouses) we rolled on a PvE server, got to 60, then started talking about quitting. A co-worker of one of our spouses said before quitting, come roll some toons on their PvP server. This got us addicted to the game and we played very heavily through the next three expansions.
The PvP server was a pain in the butt to level on, yes, but this is part of what made it good. By going through that adversity, our characters felt much more ‘real’ to us. The game world itself felt so much more alive, always having to look over your shoulder, always having to be ready to deal with some BS.
Nothing can replace that added weight the world and our characters had because we were on a PvP realm. As counter-intuitive as it sounds, it is BECAUSE of the gankers and griefers that we found meaning in our adventures.
Once at max-level, we also really enjoyed various shenanegans that couldn’t happen on a PvE realm. Getting a group and taking over a town, inducing the opposite faction to ‘raid’ us all night are to this day some of my fondest gaming memories of all time.
Will 100% definitely be rolling PvP once Vanilla launches.
Agreed fully. You know which games im coming from. Its kind of a relative thing. If you generally have only played WoW, then coming from Retail the Vanilla PvP is out of this world. If you have dabbled in some of these other games and truly got into them, its kind of hard to see the point. All relative perspectives, both absolutely fine. The goal is to have fun!
Either you’re all in or you’re all out. If you’re not in, feel free to go to Normal realms like I will most likely be doing. That’s how our world works.
I definitely wouldn’t want your scrawny little PvE self to take up a character slot on my server, so that’s a bit relieving. Actually, maybe RP-PvE is more your speed. Maybe you should go back through your posts (that’ll take awhile! lol!) and check your own attitude.
If anything you’re showing the issue of the opposite side trying to have a higher stance than other players solely because you play the game differently.
We made a SOS channel, so if one of ours was getting hassled it was easy to come to the rescue. We became known as the guild that would drop a raid on you if you ganked one of us.
More than once we cut raid night short to run anti-gank, and I like to think that’s one of the features that made the guild great. We cared about everyone enough that progression could be set aside to take care of each other.