It’s really funny that you think the solo community is that big. The solo community is a minority.
I think you replied to the wrong dude I didn’t talk about solo people at all
I can appreciate that. Some people love to just collect pets and transmogs. My problem with this barrier to progression argument is that there is progression there. You are upgrading your gear a bit when a new patch drops. Other PVE gearing paths offer better and better gear because that content gets more and more difficult. Quests will always be the same and they’re practically impossible to fail.
For the people that devote time to the game, it’s always a battle of doing the things we need to do in order to do the things that we want to do. If you like to raid, you have to do keys even if it’s not your favorite content. If you want to make solo content a joke, run keys for a month and then never touch them again.
You are acting like everyone wants to do that stuff though. That’s the whole point. Not everyone does.
Then don’t do it. I don’t like to pvp. Should I get a full set of pvp gear for doing world quests?
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This is quite literally the stupidest post i’ve ever read lol…
I did like to pvp. Did I like doing arena/rated bgs? Nope. Locked out of competitive gear. And the winners got more gear and skill. When they faced off probably people with less gear to climb and skil can be variable. But now you can’t really compete in random bgs if the team has arena ppl. I had a randomb bg with 3 rated healers. Literally impossible to kill them with the honor gear.
You’ll play against worse teams in yolo rated bg’s than you will in randoms and you’ll get much better stuff. But if you don’t want to do it, then don’t do it. PVP has always been a mess. Whether it was raid gear being OP or Grand Marshalls stomping everyone else, I wouldn’t get too worked up over it.
The overall point is that whichever gearing path you choose and how much time you devote to that path is going to determine your ilvl.
Yup. I just pvp in overwatch now. A whole other game. But at least I don’t have to regrind gear. I did what other people suggest and I don’t do that part of the game anymore. So when I suggest things in this game it’s to improve it and get me to actually like the game more.
As I said I don’t want power progression soley tied to group content. Pvp will always be tied to being with other players though. And they messed up the gearing tying both pve/pvp to rating.
There is some progression in solo content but that can’t continue to scale because the difficulty is static. Keys and raids get more difficult and the reward is going to reflect that. If you don’t like dungeons, raids, or pvp…there’s going to be a limit as to how far you can get. You’re shutting yourself off from the vast majority of the content.
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I don’t prefer to do that content. I still do it, sometimes I like it, but I would like a solo thing like Visions and a rewarding experience. Torgast is basically 6 solo dungeons. It just doesn’t give anything. And the difficulty does scale as well. Again it doesn’t give any loot though. As much as I like doing it, I am waisting my time doing it when it could have been something that gave a solo version of vault loot.
That is all a bonus to group content only. I am doing mythics for the raid transmog right now via pugging. Mythic plus is nice sometimes, It’s just not the content I want to do all the time. All my alts have different scores and it’s annoying as an altoholic.
Other than the legendary, which is the best gear that you can get. If the bonus powers weren’t a thing in Torghast, then yeah, you’d probably need some gear to actually do it, but it isn’t set up that way. Tying additional gear to it would have to be gated, which I guess wouldn’t change anything, but what ilvl are they going to reward for that? I can already see people complaining about being forced to do Torghast in that scenario lol.
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If it’s vault loot then why would they feel forced. Like right now doing a 15 is giving you mythic raid loot equivalent loot. If anything people are forced into that.
Ehhh…I don’t agree with that. If you want mythic level gear, then yeah, you have to do content that awards that kind of gear. I’m not sure that I’d agree that you’re being forced into it. If the ilvl on your armory page is the only part about gearing that you enjoy, I’m not sure why you even bother.
That is in general. If you really wanted the best gear in game you would be doing mythic 15s, 10 times. And probably mything SoD. If you want the bis in this game. I don’t see the harm though in letting you get normal raid ilvl gear in Zereth Mortis. Nor having stuff like valor to work your way toward the max ilvl. And valor being able to be used on all pve gear even world quest gear.
If 9.2 is the final patch that is supposed to be the most fun patch were we get crazy powerful for a long time until the next expansion. Some people only sub for final patches.
When did folks begin to care about their ilvl so much when all they do is kill frogs in the open world? If they ever standardize the ilvls then they’ll need to go the elite raiding recolor route and make it a limited time color option similar to Elite PvP sets.
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Let’s not tie fomo to more stuff >.>
I’m not a fan of fomo at all, but it does match the WoW theme and if they were to standardize ilvls in anyways, it wouldn’t be a surprise to anyone. I don’t mean there would be no mythic recolor btw, just a “You did it during the patch!” recolor.
Or maybe solve the boosting problem?
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People in this thread have claimed that open world content is challenging to many people.