Why not give Casuals high lvl gear?

[Vênom-sargeras]

@Terranox-stonemaul

Which class are you having trouble on?

What class im posting on lol

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Snozh-malganis

@Zapkaboom-azuresong

They certainly squeal like a pig when someone suggests that casual

You’re confusing casual for solo/bad player.

Anyone can pug aotc casually.

looks like they do care.

[Terranox-stonemaul (Terranox)]

Oh wow now I am interested I will try to do twisting corridors on my outlaw rogue and report back!

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Snozh-malganis

@Chibbs-remulos

Gear should never have this much discrepancy. 13 ilvl between tiers is unacceptable. While I’m 1 tapping mobs in korthia others are taking 4-5 globals.

Considering the effort taken to get that ilvl difference it’s 100% ok. 13 ilvls between Korthia androp end gear isn’t that much

Effort? Log in, pay your gold from a token, follow the raid and gather the gear. wow, thats effort.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Alasa-proudmoore

What i see here is the general disconnect from a raider who thinks he is hot sh-- vs reality.
Reality: If the causal is not catered to, we will quit. Reality: If we quit, your e-ego will not be stroked because the game will shut down. You think you 1%ers are enough income to keep wow going? Its not. We casuals keep this game alive with our subs. But we wont. As long as the game spits on us, we will continue to leave.

Enjoy empty servers raider. It will be you, then nothing at all.

you can go ask wildstar raiders if this is true. Oh wait, wildstar is gone.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Zapkaboom-azuresong

Effort? Log in, pay your gold from a token, follow the raid and gather the gear. wow, thats effort

Not everyone is bad and buys boosts my guy.

That above is STILL more effort than doing dailies/wqs

[Snozh-malganis]

@Vênom-sargeras

Iv gone through runs without any defensive anima powers at all even the fixed one by BLizz

All classes can solo torghast but rogue is probably one of the worst classes for Torghast so dont feel too bad.

Sub is the optimal spec but outlaw can work fine too, just need to utilize sap/blind/kidney

[Life-bleeding-hollow]

discounting achievements on the premise of a potential paid carry is just dishonest conversation
just say you want something to do and to feel powerful without having to maintain raid schedule and everything it entails
there’s nothing wrong with that
casuals keep the game going

[Snozh-malganis]

It really cracks me up how delusional some people in this thread are.

I love it when people claim they are casual to try and deflect their obvious lack of effort/success in game. Casual players clear AOTC and even CE. Some people literally raid one or two nights a week. They are casual players still playing the game.

Here is a reality check for you.
Just because you refuse to do normal/heroic raids or m plus doesnt mean casual players dont do them. You are an extreme minority trying to cloak yourselfs as “casuals” when in reality youre just Solo players trying to turn an MMORPG into a single player game.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Snozh-malganis

By that logic my fresh geared hunter should do the same damage that my guilds main hunter does because same class.

You put the time in to do the content at that level to get the rewards.

or you pay one of the many carry spammers in trade and buy your way in

[Regentotem-dalaran]

To be fair, solo play is a perfectly valid playstyle to desire even in a MMORPG if that satisfies the player; just because WoW falls under the category of a multiplayer game doesn’t inherently imply group content is required to continue a sense of progression. In the end, their $15 is worth just as much as yours and Blizzard would be doing themselves a disservice financially for not seeking to retain such players.

If you play the game for fun, the gear really makes no difference. If you play to get an edge over others, you will have it non the less considering the skill difference. If you play just to grind out better loot only for Blizzard to move the goalpost every patch, well I can’t really get behind that mentality as a reason to limit a playerbase’s sense of progression.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Zapkaboom-azuresong

or you pay one of the many carry spammers in trade and buy your way in

I dont buy boosts.

Even if I did its still more effort than doing WQs.

[Snozh-malganis]

@Regentotem-dalaran

To be fair, solo play is a perfectly valid playstyle to desire even in a MMORPG if that satisfies the player

Thats fine, if someone wants to play solo all the power to them. Its an issue when they want the game to change its design and cater to them.

@Regentotem-dalaran

because WoW falls under the category of a multiplayer game doesn’t inherently imply group content is required to continue a sense of progression.

The game is designed to reward the best gear in group content.

@Regentotem-dalaran

In the end, their $15 is worth just as much as yours and Blizzard would be doing themselves a disservice financially for not seeking to retain such players.

My issue is when solo player entitlement demands the game give them top gear for doing braindead content.

@Regentotem-dalaran

If you play the game for fun, the gear really makes no difference. If you play to get an edge over others, you will have it non the less considering the skill difference. If you play just to grind out better loot only for Blizzard to move the goalpost every patch, well I can’t really get behind that mentality as a reason to limit a playerbase’s sense of progression.

I do play the game for fun, I play the game the WAY ITS DESIGNED and play the content that rewards the gear desired.

[Regentotem-dalaran]

It is certainly the way it is currently designed, but that’s kind of the point of the last 700 messages; it’s essentially feedback stating some find the current design limiting and are looking for alternative avenues for progression as a reason to continue paying each month for their pleasure. This inherently boils down to a request for a design change though not necessarily one that needs to invalidate a sense of progression though raiding or M+.

[anon97975570]

They need to add mythic level gear to the store.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Snozh-malganis

@Delasam-moon-guard-987688

they could implement a coin system so casuals can buy high ilvl gear slowly so by the end of the season casual and rp people have gear.

No. Terrible idea.

explain why please. and a real reason, they would be slowly earning it, not being given it.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Snozh-malganis

@Nexsa-zuljin

Just make it so world content is ilvl locked. All raid gear is scaled down to that world ilvl.

Lol you act like world content is hard.

@Nexsa-zuljin

Reverse logic. Why do raiders need raid gear for world content?

Why should people who play the entire game be penalized because of a minority of the player base is too lazy to play the entire game?

your own words are “you dont need it” please explain why you somehow “need” it. sounds like you have an entitled streak a mile wide.

[Zapkaboom-azuresong]

@Ayuki-hellscream

@Vhisic-caelestrasz

I dont see why a time investment should be any less rewarded than skill investment

Um professional sports, job incentives and promotions, musicians, artists, actors/actresses… i mean the list is pretty extensive if we were to keep going, but yea participation trophies are, um ,cool if that’s your thing. Most people accept they have a skill ceiling and work to change it or move on

but you cant pay some one to do things for you so you get the rewards. try again.

[Rotationn-illidan]

Stop confusing casual with bad. Casual players have good gear. Bad players are demanding they get good gear for doing nothing. Stop being bad.

Actually let me edit, bad players can still get almost 250. I know a person who fails 75% of any m+ key they do and still is around 250 item level.

[anon97975570]

I’m demanding to be able to purchase my gear from the store directly rather than some shady boosting community.