Why not give Casuals high lvl gear?

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

@Vanya-emerald-dream

What you’re really asking for is max-level rewards.

No…read the title. High lvl gear. Not Mythic-Raid, I don’t need anything-else-gear.

[Krad-moon-guard]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

MMORPGS aren’t and shouldn’t be all about raids and dungeons.

Particularly as the only avenue of meaningful growth in power

Why would a casual or solo player want high ilvl gear? Seriously curious, why do you want it if the gear you’re currently able to obtain through casual content is more than enough to do whatever you want?

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

Looks coolish?

Honestly my own want to play this game has dropped sharply due to the grinds.

[Vanya-emerald-dream]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

No…read the title. High lvl gear. Not Mythic-Raid, I don’t need anything-else-gear.

You have access to ilvl 246 gear without ever having to step into a Mythic + dungeon. What more do you want?

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

@Krad-moon-guard

Why would a casual or solo player want high ilvl gear?

Because Blizzard refuses to nerf old content like Legion mythic raids.

[Brewa-hyjal]

Okay. Here we go.

I pulled my DMG off the shelf and typed in this section. From the man who invented role-playing games.

When people ask why they can’t get better rewards without having a corresponding increase in challenge required to get those rewards, this is why:

Thoughtless placement of powerful magic items has been the ruination of many a campaign. Not only does this cheapen what should be rare and precious, it gives player characters undeserved advancement and empowers them to become virtual rulers of all they survey. This is in part the fault of this writer, who deeply regrets not taking the time and space to stress repeatedly the importance of moderation. Had the whole been with an admonition to use care and logic in placement or random discovery of magic items, had the intent, meaning, and spirit of the game been more fully explained, much of the give-away aspect of such campaigns would have willingly been squelched. The sad fact is, however, that this was not done, so many campaigns are little more than a joke, something that better DM’s jape at and ridicule - rightly so - because of the foolishness of players with astronomically high levels of strength and no real playing skill. These god-like characters boast and strut about with scores of mighty magic items, artifacts, relics adorning them as if they were Christmas trees decked out with tinsel and ornaments. Not only are such “Monty Haul” games a crashing bore for most participants, they are a headache for their DMs as well, for the rules of the game do not provide anything for such play - no reasonable opponents, no rewards, nothing!

-Advanced Dungeons & Dragons Dungeon Master’s Guide, by Gary Gygax, Revised Edition (1979), page 92

This is not a new thing.
This is not a WoW thing.
This is not a Blizzard thing.
The reason that you do not give players rewards that are out-of-kilter with the challenge to get them is because games like that do not work.

[Runastar-illidan]

You don’t need mythic raid item level to do these raids lmao

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

@Runastar-illidan

It has nothing to do with high end players.

They’re the only ones crazy enough to stick around and still call this game good.

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

@Runastar-illidan

You don’t need mythic raid item level to do these raids

A fresh alt certainly can’t.

[Runastar-illidan]

What does that matter to you?

You doomers are pathetic

[Brewa-hyjal]

@Totesmlotes-thrall

@Krad-moon-guard

Why would a casual or solo player want high ilvl gear?

Because Blizzard refuses to nerf old content like Legion mythic raids.

We told everyone that Blizzard would screw up the level squish and that it was a terrible idea. But there was a neverending parade of people on this forum telling us that the level squish was going to be the best thing ever.

[Ardmccloud-frostmourne]

They’re holding WoW back with this Raid-or-Die attitude.

[Krad-moon-guard]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

Looks coolish?

I mean I totally can relate to that. A lot of the coolest looking gear drops from the hardest content but there is also plenty of other good looking gear that you can get outside of that.

If you can get all the best or coolest gear from doing easy content than what is the incentive to form groups/guilds and complete challenging content?

[Runastar-illidan]

Not having an extra 60 levels to slog through is the best thing ever

[Mercelída-proudmoore (Mercelída)]

Casual already have access to high ilvl gear tho

[Totesmlotes-thrall]

@Brewa-hyjal

We told everyone that Blizzard would screw up the level squish and that it was a terrible idea. But there was a neverending parade of people on this forum telling us that the level squish was going to be the best thing ever

That should be irrelevant. All they have to do is buff player damage within Legion raids by a ridiculous amount. They just flat out refuse to do it.

[Runastar-illidan]

@Ardmccloud-frostmourne

They’re holding WoW back with this Raid-or-Die attitude.

It sure is raid or die to give causals access to near heroic item level raid gear by doing braindead easy world quests and clicking on mushrooms

[Pyri-shadowsong]

“we don’t want mythic gear just for logging in”

okay then. humor me. what do you want? be specific.

what ilvl gear do you think “casuals” should be able to get?

what content should reward the gear?

[Krad-moon-guard]

@Totesmlotes-thrall

Because Blizzard refuses to nerf old content like Legion mythic raids

Don’t even know what this means. Yeah the legion raids are still not nerfed as much as they should be but you can easily get to a high enough ilvl from casual content to clear those raids.

Also I don’t think that having old xpac content being difficult to solo is a valid reason to change the entire gearing structure of the game lmao.

[Runastar-illidan]

Welcome to GD where everyone complains and the item level doesn’t matter lmao