I understand everyone has always generally hated rogues and has cheered for their nerfs regardless of how the class is performing but ive mained rogue since tbc and this is basically the first time ive felt like i can actually go toe to toe with the designated melee god’s ( wars,dks,dh’s,) etc yet these class’s still largely do more damage then rogues (whens the last time u have seen a rogue topping bg meters?) but they arent getting nefed doesnt make any sense (unless rogues are specificly designed to be below these class’s of course)…now go ahead and explain why you think rogues need to be completely neutered for the 10th xpac in a row please
Rogues been busted since ever ago. They needed something and this is 100 percent is not enough.
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Rogue is the only class I wish they delete and never bring back
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Rogues are not designed to go toe-to-toe with plate wearing classes like warriors and DKs.
You have this neat ability called stealth that lets you choose how and when you engage. And you have more CC than anyone else. A rogue should be controlling a fight to where they always have the upper hand. If you are out of stealth, your opponent not CCd in some way, just going toe-to-toe with them you’ve already lost. Go hump a pillar, reset stealth, and come in with a fresh opener. Ya know, rogue things.
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Main rogue here. Let me tell you the problem. There are two types of people, the one who knows how to play against rogues and the one who doesn’t. People who know how to play against it aren´t the ones who are always whining about rogues, those are the others, lets call them “1200 to 1800 arena rating dudes”. The problem is that those people are a lot of dudes. And lets be honest, as a rogue, playing against someone who isn’t that good is not gonna do much against a rogue, at least a not so bad rogue. Soooo, those people likes when a rogue is an easy encounter. Still, a pro rogue is gonna destroy your a*s cause the control the class has. So, keep practicing those trinkets, those CC, those defensives and you’ll catch the skill cap lvl up : )
PD: And RPM is the other real reason, they balance the rogue so it can work just fine in a RPM comb, but by doing so, rogues damage becomes insufficient to actually kill someone by himself.
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DH first at least.
@OP
Rogue is better off not having obscene damage. When our damage potential goes too high we risk losing our cc toolkit to pruning. They toyed with removing blind from assassination at one point iirc for example.
Ill sacrifice 90% of our damage to keep the kit. Control class or nothing.
Assassination and outlaw having dance is insane though. Dunno how theyll navigate this
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Checks pvp achs, yep 1750 2s, 1750 3s
K.
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100k dps burst but yeah the issue is clearly the other guy
WW monks, Fury warriors, UH DKs, etc are busting too and I’m not complaining about it. The difference is that They have strong pressure damage, we don’t.
I don’t even have a 2s or 3s rate yet sooooo, nice little lie there
yup thats par for the course
To be fair, having a 1750 rating would still put them in the top 5% of players world wide. Nothing to scoff at.
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I used to main rogue and it’s power point right now is laughable at least to shamans. But I think they always were this dumb I just enjoyed it too much to compare.
TLDR no sane rogue would think they are ok at the moment
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Depending on the season they got it it could be the top 50% lol.
im all for assa rogue being good but man sub rogue is just cringe.
it promotes the most boring degen playstyle ever .
cant tell u how many palumor one shot sub rogues i come across on the daily… disarming me as i play healer… sick macro bro
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bc they can global people not intended
This clearly demonstrates how broken Rogues are at the moment. When a flavor of the month re-roll come trolling the forums, telling us how balance rogues really are, and it’s a skill issue on other player’s part. Rogues currently in the running with Huntards for most faceroll class in DF.
And where is the “1750 2s, 1750 3s”?
I’m like 1k higher on Rogue and still think that the class is likely deserving of further nerfs. 
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I think this needs an asterisk.
Weve always been strong. Its that the way we do our damage has been compressed and streamlined to the point where theres less resistance than ever to us doing our damage.
People reliably dying in cheapshot shouldnt happen.
In an ideal game, imo, Rogue TTK should never be shorter than the full potential duration of our stuns. And the resources required shouldnt be foolproof to do the damage to kill in that window.
No class should have a kill macro. Lol. Especially not rogue. We have too much control for that level of guaranteed on demand kill potential to be fair.