MW has always been either broken OP or unplayable.
1.)The talent tree is split.
We could have a one-direction playstyle, with different paths; if they would focus the tree in one way instead of splitting us in two.
I think both ways are fun (except for FW in PVP. If you get stunned your team just dies)
My suggestion would be:
To create another spec for healing similar to Disc/Holy for MW/FW. OR pick a direction to heal.
2.)Soothing mist doesn’t fit the current gameplay.
Every other class is running around doing mechanics while healing on the move.
Mw has to stop in place and use 4 globals (soothing, enveloping, renewing, vivify.) before outputting any healing. Soothing mists used to be able to be used while on the move, but for some reason that was removed.
My suggestion would be:
Revert the change, so we can use soothing while moving.
Take away cast time on Enveloping Mist. Making the rotation feel better while being more mobile.
They’re still working on integrating what have been competing playstyles in the tree (soothing mist casting, and melee damage / to healing).
If healing throughput is a limiting factor, I find the straight casting build to provide substantial throughput- and more importantly - responsiveness (with and without CDs up, except in niche scenarios). At the trade off of any meaningful damage.
Talent point competition at the bottom of the tree forces weakness into on of those styles - understandable from a tuning standpoint - not great from a gameplay one.
I’ve be n experimenting with several builds, but haven’t a fistweaving one that keeps up with the cast weaving throughput needed during heavy healing scenarios (ie if you need ~2m or more (around my ilvl) hps to keep the group up - it might be possible with cast weaving… but you are going to be in pain trying it while fistweaving).
More directly to your second healing point, hots (renewing mist and enveloping mist) are more maintenance spells. Keep them up (don’t cap renewing mists charges) - so your spot healing can be more vivify focused. Also if DBM is saying healing is going to be needed - start dropping enveloping mists onto the tank and others in the group - so you have less wind up when you need your intense healing window.
They only ever competed because people here are constantly fighting about who is better, the actual spec design is easily capable of moving from damage to casting without strain.
This is objectively wrong, MW has been in a consistently good spot since creation, it’s not a perfect class, but competes in all content and is adjusted pretty well patch to patch without getting slammed like a lot of other classes and specs. What content are you even referring to. We are doing fine in raid, viable with both builds until high end content, and FW build is doing a great job in dungeons. I would like a little more damage to compete with other healers burst, but we are also getting buffs there next patch.
I think this is kind of an exaggeration. Mw’s have always been playable (able to complete the content just fine). The issue is that they don’t have anything that the other healers don’t have better since Mystic Touch can just be brought by a WW. Therefore, once you get to mythic raiding they won’t be given a slot unless their throughput is brokenly good to compensate for the loss of a cooldown.
I do agree with you though that long term the two healing specs need to be re-integrated for better balance and the hope of being re-worked to address the above issue.
Biggest issue with mw, is how they cant be blown up very quick outside of cds. Your best defense is good mobility. This doesnt work well with casters or ranged. Sometimes you cant heal fast enough then other times its like god mode. I fair ok right now, but better than rdruid atm. They need to knock priest down a notch, they have been op for 2 expansions now.
Really what I believe needs to happen for ALL healers, is CC needs to be trimmed across the board for pvp side of things. PVE… idk cause I havent done a single m+ or raid yet lol…
In certain fights in raid my output falls off a cliff. Much because of what you mentioned. it takes way too many globals and often way too much time to hard cast to ramp up the healing.
I think 1 of the biggest issue is how SG requires mist to build up on the ground to get any output out of it at all, revival is a 3 min cd, outside of that AOE healing on boss fights is rough. Having to depend on zen pulse which requires so much ramping.
That is where I end up falling off. Paladins and priest have so much instant burst AOE healing that they soak most the damage before I can ramp up.
But there is a silver lining. None can compete with the tank heals of MW. EM and Cocoon carry the tanks hard.
In M+ I find things to be much more manageable. It’s easier to manage 5 people with AOE ramping and even a cruddy tank becomes immortal. Jade fire stomp is great at managing a team of 5 in close quarters and fistweaving helps push the timer.
PVP is where I really get irritated, as you stated, The moment you get stunned is the moment it is over. If a random havoc DH even comes near me, his 2 stuns are enough to burst me to 0 even while running the Dematerialize pvp talent. It is a complete joke. It is unbelievable how you go from immortal to “insert any random stun and die instantly”
Overall Soothing mist has no place anywhere in the game this season. Fistweaving is king and I am content with that as I enjoy it more. I just think the fistweaving aspect is grossly undertuned and needs a massive buff. It is simply too slow output.
Honestly, FW outside of arena… worthless. There are too many roots and slows to even attempt in anything outside of arena. They need to trim the cc overall, or introduce DR for roots and slows, cause all you get stuck in is SLOW SLOW ROOT ROOT SLOW MORE SLOWS.
I agree. The output of fistweaving itself is lacklaster and this insane cc spam, rabbid stun lock, perma snare and slow meta is just trash in general but even more taxing for a mistweaver. especially fistweavers.
PVP is just complete dog crap right now in general. It is 100% tailored to high burst cc spam DPS. Even tanks are non existent as flag carriers or node defenders thanks to the morons at blizzard making THE TANKS take increased damage. all they care about is DPS having a call of duty style head shot play ground.
Get more haste. 20% isnt great, also why are you stacking vers? Is there some pvp reason? More haste means more casts/faster set up. You arent at a key level where you need that much vers, MW is pretty tanky already, and you could be moving those stats into better areas ( haste/crit, even mast if you insist on running memweaving in raids might be better than just a ton of vers and a meh amt of haste )
You can use shaohao’s lesson buffs with conduit, every yu’lon ramp, every revival to get a bunch more healing. SG is fine, though I wouldn’t complain if they re added the mastery proc on all 5 people.
There is a literal talent that lowers the cd, better with more haste and if you actually cast more vivifies.
Zen pulse literally just requires you to be pressing ren mist and rsk on CD. Your one log only has you using both like 67% of the time. Use those more.
Drop the memeweaving talents and harmony hero tree in raid and grab conduit, then grab secret infusion and evokers delight and this will never be a problem. Also more haste than 20%.
Problem seems to lie with you. Sure monks could get some small buffs here and there but at least put the effort in before you complain and say the spec cant aoe heal. We deff can, but if you only cast ren mist 30 times and vivify 25 times obviously you are not going to have much aoe/cleave healing going on.
Seriously though drop the harmony talent tree, it’s trash, even after buffs.
I have the gear the game provides clown. Where am I supposed to pull more haste out of? my analus?
And 90% of everything you said is moronic. You don’t think I have a raid spec with conduit? You are literally looking at 1 talent tree and a log from like the first week of the season.
Move along, No one asked for your input anyway. Come back on a mistweaver instead of hiding on a priest.
Could try enchanting your weapon with the haste buff, it has a dps enchant on it rofl, in the log you literally didnt even have it enchanted too.
You can also:
Food haste
Swap your vers gem to haste
Pick up secret infusion and ren mist haste when you need it
Pick up evokers delight to make ramps easier/faster
Craft a better non vers ring
craft a neck with more haste
put 2 sockets on all of those with haste gems
grab the free talent in the conduit tree that gives 2% haste when you sck
Target items from dungeons/raids.
No one ends up at 14% vers by accident rofl.
This log was your heroic Rash from 3 days ago, you were in harmony hero tree. Might want to check again.
Public forum so I can post as I wish. I was trying to help. You really do need to work on just being a better player in general. Nothing you complained about it really a problem. You just need to get good and press ren mist and vivify more rofl. Literally stop making excuses and just play better before complaining.
actually yes you do end up with 14% verse by accident when the highest ilvl and most haste gear provided has vers on it as well. Literally no other ring has dropped so I am using my pvp craft ring along with my haste/crit pve craft ring until something better comes along. No other amulet has dropped so I am using my pvp haste amulet which happens to have a lot of vers. same can be said for cloak. its the only haste cloak I have gotten. and it has vers on it as well. Literally no belt has dropped other than 1 off of heroic trash. and guess what? It has vers on it. so yes. You end up with 14% vers thanks to poor RNG, crappy vault runs for a month straight. it is what it is. I don’t make the rules. You think I haven’t been targeting better in slot items? You are wrong.
Funny isn’t it. my 4th string alt gets best in slot items my monk needs in vault yet my monk has literally gotten a month worth of tokens from vault used to buy sockets and crest. It’s RNG, I don’t control it. it is what it is. Drop rates are horrible in general much less anything you actually need. Not even hero track rewards from timewalking have been useful on my monk. So I work with what I have.
so run along little 75 priest. Again, your opinion was not required.
The only reasonable thing you have said is that it would be nice for SG to benefit from mastery. It would be nice if mastery was more impactful in general.
Okay so what about the other 7 avenues to get more haste that I suggested outside of targeting certain pieces from content/vault?
If you put your log through the analyzer you would see tons of ther areas you can work on before comaplaining.
Before complaining about not being able to aoe heal maybe try getting more than 67% uptime on ren mist and using vivify more than 25 times an entire raid boss fight?
And your’s is just plain misinformed and wrong because you are a bad player. Try getting good before you complain.
I swear the worst players always have the dumbest takes.
you are looking at a log where I was in a pug, eating dinner, and just spamming whatever on the easiest fight in the riad? LOL. I didn’t even switch to my raid spec as you clearly pointed out, nor was it even required for a random pug entry on the easiest fight in the raid.
Worst players? You are the one hiding behind a 75 priest. That’s because you are an internet troll and you do not even have a character up to speed to compete with this alt I am on. At least I am man enough to post on my monk.