Why MW is consistently bad

Classes Monk
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I agree with most of what this guy is saying, I just do not agree with how he is saying it.

Getting to 25-30% haste on MW makes everything feel so much better. ( gcd wise, getting renewing mists out, ramping all start to feel better with more haste )

Try to maximize ren mist/rsk+rising mist, try to vivify much more, if you picked up chi harmony in raids make sure you make use of that healing+ buff.
IMO picking up secret infusion and evoker’s will help greatly with prepping those ramps and getting more gcd’s to work with. I do not know how the harmony tree is doing now since the buffs - so no comment there.

Gear will come eventually, sometimes we can not always chose what comes our way, but through talents and a few outside sources we can nudge our way there slowly till that gear comes in.

That said I would like to see some small buffs for us, mainly:

  • Sheilun’s gift 10% ish healing buff or like mentioned above re add the mastery proc on 3-5 targets ( depending on talent ). SG is nice if you prep chi harmonies/env mists or SI/Shaohao’s to squeeze more out of them but I miss how it felt in DF.
  • Revival is perfect in dungeons, loving it this week for this affix tbh. It might need a slight buff in raids? Again if prepped with SG/SI then it’s better but sometimes it just falls flat and doesn’t feel that impactful for a raid wise cooldown
  • Buff life cocoon 40% or add some kind of DR element to it
  • Some damage buffs to rsk/sck would be nice, nothing major but it would be nice
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So just taking a Quick Look at your logs, sheiluns gift is your top heal if not number 2 on a lot of your kills, that shouldn’t be the case ever. Peak of serenity has a lot of good resources and tools to help people improve. Getting more haste won’t really help much in your case until you learn what healing spells you should be prioritizing more. Vivify/ENVm/REM should be much higher and sheiluns gift much lower.

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It’s no lack of use of the mentioned spells. They are simply too slow to compete with the palas and priest in my raid group. SG is taking the lead because it burst 5 people at 1 time and more often than not hits those I have prepped with evm and rem. hence why it is putting out so much. If people would bother to pay attention to what I originally said, I never said the heals are weak, I said they are marginalized by other classes that have much faster and larger aoe output. A lot of it is wasted or turns to over healing.

In that case I know I need more haste to help that along but it doesn’t change the fact that MW does not have simple and fast AOE healing like other classes. so most of it is tuned out or too little too late. HPS wise I am right on par with the other healers, effective AOE healing however is lackluster in comparison.

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Second this. Peak has some great beginner guides and information that can probably assist.

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Look I said my peace, you are also using JFS in raid which is a pretty odd choice I think. I really would suggest comparing your talent load out to the one peak has listed, cause there alone would help you immensely. Our celestial ramp is a lot of healing also and it doesn’t really seem like you are using that properly(use yu lon, not chi ji).

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Look at that.

2 very good monks telling you exactly what I just told you.

“Look at the guides, use your abilities and get good.”

Stop complaining about things that aren’t even an issue.

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Sup. I’m here to throw myself into this little battle because I’m interested in the responses.

Based on several responses I’ve read here I am assuming you’re Fistweaving.
In that case you shouldn’t even be talented into Sheilun’s because it just…sucks rn. It’s also a heavy cost investment when there are unironically better options (Secret Infusion, Invoker’s Delight).

Not true. Fistweaving in BG’s is a real thing and is actually strong. You’ll never see it though because most people are weak to being pressured and fold, or literally have 0 idea or understanding of how to play it.
Most people just run Caster because it’s a staple as well.

Ok, so, we have access to:
Tiger’s Lust
Roll x3 (Or Chi Torpedo if you’re trying to FC with MoH)
Lighter Than Air (Really strong talent)
Clash (Disgustingly strong ability that also snubs out Z-Axis abusers)
Fae Accord (Talent for FLS. AoE 60% ranged slow on 5s CD)
Disable (If you have the points for it)
Chi’Ji (immunity to all movement impairing effects)
And if you want to count them:
Ring of Peace
Paralysis

Unless you’re dealing with an Evoker, Mage (Mostly Frost) or Druid (Debatable), you should have little to no issues sticking to a target.

Could be a bit better, sure.

I’m going to make the bold assumption that “Memeweaving” is some hybrid amalgamation and not Fistweaving, because it’s not a meme rn.
Regardless, yes, Haste/Mastery is by and far the best stat allocation for Fistweaving and it’s nowhere near close.

Absolutely correct. That tree needs a complete rework to even begin to see real use outside of Fistweaver DPS parses lmao.

Ngl you really don’t end up with accidental stats. There are so many ways to target specific stats rn that it’d be a challenge to get stats you DON’T want, unless you’re just equipping the next gear piece that is +3 Item Levels every time lol.
I’m full Haste/Mastery in every piece at 610.
And, no, Vault didn’t help me either.

I got some Fistweaver stuff I’d say too but I cba typing it all out here. I’ll make a whole post eventually.

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They are right, your parses are trash to be talking bad about MW, we are actually really good at sniping heals as a caster build or hybrid build, fist weaving is no where near our high end, and we have plenty of alternate builds that require nowhere near as much ramp and more sustained heals as well as big ramp builds. (For raiding)

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This isn’t true. Fights like Brood and Court you’ll never, ever outheal or outperform a Fistweaver.

On fights like princess, tho, you’re correct. However, it still performs well enough.

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They don’t know what to do with mistweaver because the community itself doesn’t know what they want.

Blizz just has to pick imo and there will be people that get upset but that’s what should happen. In a perfect world they would put fistweaving and cast weaving into separate trees.

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Well to clarify if you use both builds through all the bosses, FW is not top, sure it can be top on a couple fights but it’s not worth the effort having multiple sets of gear for high end competition, and that’s just gonna go to flavor class any ways, if you go down the top court logs you are also incorrect it’s both FW and hybrid builds, this is subjective based on the skill of the player, you can beat FW on court, I would have to dig through logs more to examine the blood fight. But over all in raid FW won’t perform as well on progression for all fights. This is also impacted hard on the skill of other healers and comps in your group.

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Fair.

I am currently not able to look rn but I wouldn’t be surprised. Very, very few prople understand current Fistweaver.
If they’re not running full Haste/Mast and the proper talent tree that would also severely affect the data.

I mean, that would be with anything in the game, no?
Numbers-Wise it isn’t possible tho.

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I will never be able to get used to this turnaround in stat priorities XD

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Mastery pivoted from being useless on Fistweaver to mandatory so hard it almost broke my ankles.

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Do you always just trash talk people trying to help you? jeeze, no wonder people dont want to help others these days. step your attitude down a notch and learn something.

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