Haven’t had a new tank since legion, and theres no easy dataset for pre-legion tanking population numbers, so gonna take that statement with a big grain of salt.
Gigantic leap in logic there. Why would they have too?
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and I will take “but it will add numbers” likewise.
since I order to believe that we have to ignore what has happened.
you feel they will only add a new spec to shaman for an expansion feature?
or only a few classes?
now THAT is the giant leap in logic.
gonna be a major class update, for only a few classes. had that ever been done?
your entire argument is “what if something that has never been done…happens…and if you disagree you are having huge leaps in logic”
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Ignore…what? What has happened?
…? Yeah, that has happened. Shadow priest rework that dropped shadow form (and the subsequent update that added it back). Survival becoming melee. Frost dk going from tank to dps, and blood dk going from dps to tank. Demo warlock losing meta.
No, I WANT that to happen. Big difference. Not just shaman, but thats the conversation at hand.
I’m just confused at the ‘have to’ part of the statement. Its not like they gotta add a whole new spec to all classes all at once every expansion. Maybe one or two per expansion where it makes sense. Jungle expansion of some sort? Give hunter some love. Light focused expansion? Give paladin and priest some love. Some expansion with a subterfuge plotline? Rogues time to shine. Not even at the start, maybe some mid point moment.
The leap in logic is ‘if they add a spec to shaman, they have to add a new spec to every class, all at once’.
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the lack of noticable additional tanks when a new tank is added.
reworks are not the same as adding a new spec.
didn’t think I’d have to say that
this would not be accepted.
I don’t even believe you would accept this.
shaman could be last. ok. you get your shaman tank in 18 more years.
yes or no.
if blizzard said they were going to add a shaman tank in 2042 would you find that acceptable?
Again, no new tank has been added since legion, and there doesn’t really exist any pre-legion population data, so grain of salt.
No but reworks and new specs are both major class updates, which is what you asked about.
Man you’re really good at coming up with hypothetical situations that’ll never happen. I wouldn’t be happy but if the games still fun I’d keep playing. If it stops being fun or my friends stop playing, then I’ll stop playing. Regardless of such a preposterous announcement.
Shaman tanking is a nice to have, its not necessary. But if its in development I’m all for it. If it doesn’t happen…ah well lol not exactly the first time I’ve been disappointed.
I waited for warlock tanking to come back, got it in SoD and its a blast. Would like to see it in modern retail, but can wait. Waited 10 years with no news for Armored Core 6, finally got it and its a blast. I’m patient.
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one is much larger than the other
what?
you made up the hypothetical of 1 or 2 classes every 2 years
I went with your hypothetical. on one hand…I agree. that situation will never happen.
if they add a 4th spec to 1 or 2 classes per expansion…once again. your hypothetical. it could be a decade+ before they get to shaman .
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And yet both are major class reworks.
And you made the hypothetical that blizzard would announce shaman won’t get a fourth spec till 2042. Theres no way they’d make that statement, they’d just start slow rolling out specs. Then it becomes a fun game of “oh whats next?”
And? Its not like I’ll have a lack of anything to do between now and then. If it never happens, I’ll be disappointed but not surprised. And if I get bored of wow between now and then, I’ll just move on.
EDIT: and if tank warlock happens first…well the shaman alt can be put on hold for a while lol
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I imagine it has some to do with the difficulty in balancing more specs. However, it would only help the game to have more tank and healing specs IMO
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I’ve seen the launch of several tabk specs, one class that had 3 potential tank specs, and it necer made finding a tank noticeably easier. The only good way to add tanks to the game, is to add people who want to tank to the playerbase.
I’m not against more options for those people, but i doubt blizzard would want another feral druid (or more currently, frost DK) situation, where they’re left to balance a spec twice for different funtions, and I’m pretty sure they aren’t giving out any more 4th specs, which leaves changing enhancement, and I am definitely against that.
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I’d argue that dk tanks (in that past version where they all technically could be one) is a bit of a unique case cause you’re also dealing with the subset that wants to play DK in the first place. But I see where you’re coming from.
But this is the question of “if done, how?” Cause same, last thing I wanna see is enhancement changing to anything else. Which would mean fourth spec, but can definitely see the restrictions with doing that. Its not ideal but don’t really see a better choice.
Cause like, and this is a bit of a hot take to be sure, but I also wanna see tank warlock. But again, I don’t like adding a fourth spec. However, I could see a world for warlock specifically where you would take the current fantasy of ‘master summoner’ in demo and break it apart into Aff and Destro. So that you can take build paths that are either casting focused or summoning focused, with the tank spec being a ‘new’ 3rd spec instead of a fourth.
No illusion that’d be a hard sell. But could see the argument for it. For shaman tho, the specs are distinct enough I can barely imagine how to condense them.
I don’t like adding a fourth spec, but fourth spec makes the most sense for shaman.
Why ? ? ? ?
Enhancement was a viable low-level off tank in classic. To the point that when I was leveling as resto, people were saying I should take tanking gear, “just in case I need to tank.”
They started phasing it out in TBC and by Wrath it was pretty well forgotten.
Earth shock might have also had one but I think it dazed. Frost shock was the threat generator. Rockbiter i think also had threat on it.
Paladins were great tanks since they became tanks in TBC.
Yea, I enjoy prot from time to time
Yeah, there’s no reason why they’d have to add a 4th spec to every class in the game all at the same time - they will add new classes/specs when it makes sense with the story. Blizz did state that Shaman will have a significant update in a later patch and the story is spot on for an earth-based tanking spec.
Here’s an example of waiting for the story: People have been wondering why
Demon Hunters weren’t added into Burning Crusade and were heavily requesting them for years. It took Blizz a very long time before the story would allow it but they ultimately made it happen despite the huge demand for DHs each expansion prior.
To assume that they would give EVERY class in the game an additional spec when the story really only is pointing towards one seems like a long shot.
I do think that the reason this expansion’s dungeons are designed the way they are is because they’re trying to bolster Shaman numbers right before announcing/releasing a new spec. And, to “force” moving players to the tank spec, I think it’s very likely that there will be a Shaman-specific legendary that significantly benefits a tanking role.
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I would like to see shaman tanking, and I believe the elementals give a possibility to it.
In the same way Restoration mainly use water to heal, the tank spec could mainly use Earth to tank. It would be awesome.
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I specifically came to the forum today to beg again for shaman tank spec. Blizzard…hello? Why no mail tank but bunch of leather tanks?
Narratively, the timing is incredibly ideal. Just give it a few months - IF we get a tank spec, it’ll probably come in Season 2.
I would instantly Main shaman AND tank spec if they made a semi-viable version of the SOD tank in retail.
INSTANTLY
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