Why isn't there a blue post celebrating this layering idea?

[Soljin-frostmourne]

I’d rather take phase one layering than roll the dice on half the servers being ghost towns three months in.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Classic was hard and not for five year olds.

Lol. Beg to differ. Have you not seen these posts about these early 20’s players who played Vanilla on Daddy’s lap?

3k players on one mob then make more realms and reduce when player base leave.

Uh huh. Smash server economy, communities together and you think that’s not a negative? Merges and connected realms are far worse for the economy than what layering will theoretically be.

Keep it like it was and stop trying to make everything so easy or you’ll realize it’s not why people still play it underground.

This had nothing to do with making the game easy. This is to avoid dead realms and the issues of server merges.

Blizz could do what you’re proposing and then charge everyone for server transfers when realms start dying. I for one am glad they are going for a non cash grab solution. I’m also glad we get a chance to organize before hand. This should help in the long run.

[Ironsides-stormreaver (Ironsides)]

This had nothing to do with making the game easy. This is to avoid dead realms and the issues of server merges.

This is the reason why they’re doing layering. It’s a necessary evil, and I think it’s funny how much smoke layering gets compared to CRBGs

[Zonkabonk-blackrock]

Blue posts can celebrate my fluttering indecent unadulterated uncensored bouncing…

Well you know.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

I’ve concluded it’s either real money traders who want smaller populations to control, (which would decrease their competition in controlling the economy) just trolling, and a few legit people who really think they are missing social interactions from 2999 other people. Wonder if they consider all of the missed social interactions while sleeping to be detrimental to the community. What about the missed social interactions while engaged in other social interactions? Mind blown!!!

Logically layering is the best way to handle what is being foreseen as inevitable population decline.
I for one have to applaud the efforts of the devs to be pro active in trying to control this.
They could just not care. Throw up the servers and whatever happens. Happens. The QQ and blizz hate posts from that will be worse than this. It wouldn’t just be mostly the alt brigade lighting these forums up. Lol.

[Vedarian-thunderlord]

What happens if player retention is exceedingly high? The returning players already know they like the game, and retention rates amongst that group is going to be sky high. Retailers are a wildcard. Will they be more likely to stay because they already play WoW, or less likely to stay because they play a very different version of WoW?

As Luuni has stated, WoW had a 30% retention rate, but that was from random people trying the game. Classic has too many confounding factors to just assume that 70% are going to leave.

And that’s the biggest problem with all this. They are willing to damage the game with layering because they think the game is going to fail.

The players who have been unsubbed for years and are coming back to just play classic are going to have a really high retention rate. You’ve got a lot of pserver players in that group who have played classic for years. As a guess I’d say that group is looking at 75 percent or higher retention rate after 3 months.

Planning for failure does not seem like a recipe for success to me. I haven’t subbed since WOTLK and if layering stays in I won’t be resubbing. I want to play classic wow, I’m not going to pay for retail lite.

[Sereik-proudmoore (Sereik)]

A lot of people, including myself, just want to know exactly how long layering will be active so we can plan around it. Most of the people in my discord groups don’t like layering, but we all agree that we will use it to our advantage if we can. It’s a chance to stock up on valuable resources for the rest of the content.

If we are going to have it for months, it makes sense to level an alt on a second account instead of just one, so we can circumvent the new layering ICD. If we’re only going to have it for 2-4 weeks, it’s likely better to just stay on one character. Just wanna know what we’re dealing with here, so we can plan accordingly.

[Razaell-sargeras (Razaell)]

Did he? Because a month isn’t unreasonable… But layering until phase 2 is a very different story.

I hope he follows through with that promise.

[Razaell-sargeras (Razaell)]

Precisely this. Free server transfers and or merges when necessary seem a better solution than layering to me… Or some combination with light layering, maybe 2 - 3, not you’re on Warsong layer 19.

I agree with another poster that retention rates for classic will be higher than vanilla. Most of us non retail guys know what we’re in for and will play. If they layer heavily and retention is higher than expected, layering will likely not go anywhere.

[Alyorbase-elune]

OR…they’ll realize that they were wrong about the pop decline and shut down layering and add a few new servers and offer transfers to those servers. That’s why Ion promised that it would be gone within a 2-4 weeks. Because they want to have a month or so to actually look and see what the population will do before they invest all the money into those extra servers. It’s all about counting cost and making sure that they can still provide a great game to people but also not have to uselessly spend money on increased server infrastructure to add new servers in.

Now if they don’t do that and they leave layering in because the population doesn’t drop, then everyone has a good reason to be upset. But until then, let’s see what happens before we get out the torches and pitchforks.

[Tarrz-tichondrius]

It won’t matter that much while levelling.

[Vedarian-thunderlord]

Ion promised that it would be gone within a 2-4 weeks.

No, he didn’t promise that. He said a “few” weeks, which can be twisted to mean anything he wants.

[Vionica-staghelm]

I’m with you. The forum goers are generally more invested in the nuts and bolts of things.

[Alyorbase-elune]

No, he didn’t promise that. He said a “few” weeks, which can be twisted to mean anything he wants.

Well, people have been claiming that he said 2-4 weeks maybe a month and definitely before P2. So in that light, again I say, let’s see what happens before we get out the torches and pitchforks.

[Theodras-stormrage]

So all of the layering haters should wait until phase 2 to play (since they all claim they would rather wait). They claim to be the majority so then the servers should theoretically be dead and the devs could remove the layering sooner. Problem solved.

[anon22126762]

People are drastically over reacting and melting down over layering. It won’t last long, on less populated servers it could potentially be days to a week lol. If no one joins said server it could just be One Layer for instance. On the streamer server that potbebtially draws a larger crowd yeah it’s gonna be packed I would guess. Same with the guilds that have banded together for a healthy community and server population for sustainability. Blizzard is aware that dead realms literally Kill the game. They are avoiding this by implementing layering which is only temporary. For the average player it will literally be over before you hit 60 bahaha. I can imagine it being noticeable the first week in Ironforge but who is gonna spend time just sitting in a big city at level 22 when they should be questing or pvping. Professions. A vocal minority is voicing their opinion and yeah I bet a lot of people wouldn’t want layering but you know what I dislike the most? Dead servers. If my server is literally dead like what happened in retail, yeah I will flat out quit the game I’ve been waiting for. What’s the other solution realm transfers? That destroyed what community was already established there. Mass exodus from that realm is over populated or under even. Combining realms is an option I’d rather avoid.

Here’s some food for thought. What happens if we have three layers that have 3K each consistently at peaks hours. Phase 2 hits and bam we have a 9k people trying to play on a Friday night with 4k que time worse case scenario. What do we do then?

[Alyorbase-elune]

People are drastically over reacting and melting down

It’s 2019…that par for the course for just about anything. At the end of the day, the people whining about layering will either play or not. As far as I’m concerned, I actually agree with the previous poster. If you are THAT STRONGLY against layering…then don’t play when Classic launches…if the populations are already low, then Blizzard will get rid of layering that much sooner.

I for one won’t be logging in on launch day simply because even with layering the starting areas are going to be impossible to get anything done. But after a few days that should be dealt with and then I will start playing.

[Gullione-blackrock]

That anyone could be so deluded to think that this was a good decision is laughable. That it could potentially last until Phase 2 - months - is absurd.

I mean this is your opinion and you’re entitled to it, but stop acting like it’s a fact.

A vocal minority cry on these boards daily. It’s mostly the same people continuously making threads about it. Sad.

If you are THAT STRONGLY against layering…then don’t play when Classic launches…if the populations are already low, then Blizzard will get rid of layering that much sooner.

This guy gets it!

But after a few days that should be dealt with and then I will start playing.

That’s why I also took time off the following week and not launch week

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

So all of the layering haters should wait until phase 2 to play (since they all claim they would rather wait). They claim to be the majority so then the servers should theoretically be dead and the devs could remove the layering sooner. Problem solved.

This is way too much logic for some on this forum.

If we are going to have it for months, it makes sense to level an alt on a second account instead of just one, so we can circumvent the new layering ICD.

This just makes me want to roll a rogue and camp nodes. Lol.

. Free server transfers and or merges when necessary seem a better solution than layering to me… Or some combination with light layering, maybe 2 - 3, not you’re on Warsong layer 19.

How is smashing 2 economies and 2 different communities together better than shrinking one down? Please explain this to me?
You could wind up smashing a bad economy into a more robust economy. Guess what that makes the bad economy players. Poor and wanting buy gold. Lol.

Let’s smash a thick skinned edge lord community into a civil carebear community. Oh yea that one works out reallly well.
Retail still has not recovered from the culture shock of connecting/merging realms.

[Katerina-mannoroth]

Here’s some food for thought. What happens if we have three layers that have 3K each consistently at peaks hours. Phase 2 hits and bam we have a 9k people trying to play on a Friday night with 4k que time worse case scenario. What do we do then?

Free Realm Transfers.