Why is the game being taken down multiple times a week every week?

Fact of life #1 : Nothing always goes as planned and plans have to change.

Yeah their called patches or content .
Been like that since the game launched . I take it you must be new to WoW

Achievements came out in October 2008. Any active account then has some from that time period, because they were granted for things you had already done. It even included retroactive things like having the anniversary steins for the year before the achievements, etc.

The date will depend on when you logged in after achievements went live.

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THey must be counting the classic remakes as the originals

Ok so my oldest achievement is from Jan 2009 which means I didnt log in from Oct 2008 until Jan 2009 apparantly. How does that prove I didnt play in vanilla and BC, or for that matter that you did?

What are these retroactive achievements aside from the anniversary ones? Can you tell me some of the ones you have that are retroactive?

Eh, to be fair they were playing in Jan 2009 at least. I just don’t see anything older yet. And nothing that would be retroactive to Vanilla.

Because a lot of those are retroactive and were granted the day you logged in. If you had done that older content that awarded achievements it would be granted in Jan 2009 when you logged in.

I just can’t find anything indicating Vanilla play that was awarded on login day. You have things you went back and got later (we all do), but I have yet to find anything showing Vanilla play during the time Vanilla was active.

Here is an example of what I am talking about. I logged in on Oct 15, 2008 and was granted a whole slew of Raid and Dungeon achievements based on completed quests and boss drop items I had. The achievements did not pick up ALL of them, because not all had quests and not everyone had boss items still in inventory, but it got a bunch.

That indicates I had those before Achievements came out at least. Anniversary ones are good too.

Here are yours on this account

You had done Uldaman and Deadmines by Jan 2009 that you got credit for on login.

For TBC on the day you logged in in 2009, you had 3 dungeons and no raids

A lot of the TBC stuff counted on achievement rollout. Here is my example showing TBC dungeons and raids completed on achievement login day

I am not saying you did not experience the content ever, but you did not have it done on this account on the day you logged in after Achievements rolled out. You also don’t seem to remember the down time or bugs accurately. Your account history does not back you doing much of that content during the 2004-2009 time period.

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Are these by character? My war is my main and he has the achievments for reaching both private and knight rank back in vanilla. Those achievements he didnt get credit for until 1/17/09 but it was for earning those titles at level 60 and they were earned back in vanilla.

This druid, while I did play him back then was only an alt similar to my paladin.

It depends on how you have your account set up. I THINK you can hide some achievements so they are per char?

That would explain it if so. I would expect on your main you would have a bunch of Vanilla and TBC dungeon and raid content granted on the day you logged in after achievements came out.

This is my warrior maybe he has some sort of evidence that I played since vanilla.

Looking. You did not have artisan riding until later in 2009, not even on the day you logged in after achievements.

You have some dungeons from Vanilla that were done before 2009, but no raids. Your TBC achievements show this char was doing TBC dungeons before early 2009, but no raids at that time.

I mean, you did play some before achievements came out that is obvious, but your account appears to be that of a person who started at the end of Vanilla or more likely later part of TBC 2009. Your TBC raid completions were after Wrath release.

All that said, you were active since 2009 certainly. I just think you either were not playing or don’t remember all the down time in the first years of WoW. It was not some glorious golden age.

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Not that I can tell…I joined tail end of WotLK and have the 6th anniversary achieve. You have the 5th that came out in 2009.

Mira is bringing it up because they are pointing out without proof, you are making a empty claim dude, or look like it.

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The criteria to determine this is flawed then as I joined during Vanilla and I played TBC on launch and main tanked for my guild throughout TBC and that is not being reflected. I know for a fact I completed Karazhan when it was current as I distinctly remember having to manage shield block to push crushing blows off the table for the final boss. You can say its an empty claim but absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. If there was a way to look up the creation date or guild history of the character it would be more apparent but as it stands I guess any claim to playing in Vanilla and TBC is an empty claim as their is no evidence to show otherwise. That would apply to you as well as having an achievement for logging into the game in late 2008 does not prove anything.

I am guessing the TBC achievments are after wrath because they didnt retroactively apply so they where not awarded until I went back for transmogs. Opening the Portal and all my TBC dungeons achievements all registered on 1/15/09 which was most likely when I logged in I guess. I also got razorfen downs, uldaman, gnomergan, deadmines, stockade ect all on 1/15/09. My guess is your achievements for those are all on the day you logged in as well.

Yes, you did do Kara when current. Your Achievements show that granted as retroactive the day you logged in Jan 2009. You did it before then.

You don’t have the other raids until later.

That seems accurate I dont think my guild completed much after Karazhan and the later raids I would have only completed much later when I soloed them for transmogs.

The main healers in our guild used +healing builds so we were not exactly a cutting edge raid guild

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interns, blizz cheeping quality and laying off good workers, the other had to leave do to harrasment scandal.

so you end up with the exited kids to work in blizz but have no experience.

they don’t fix them in months, but when they do one fix, they get so excited and servers are downs for hours.

they already show us that they can’t get their stuff on time, Tuesday is the day that people will log 8 hrs after they say they will finish.

also, they should not have that many bugs! they have their QA, their alpha their beta, 3 months of full play time population and still are bugs in the most important stuff. in talents, game play and dungeons… so where is the quality?

but it isn’t really. No other games that i play do this. This is a WoW exclusive way of updating the game. It’s been happening this way since 2012. Other more modern (and even older) games offer patches that can be installed at the players convenience or they are updated live while you are playing (i.e. Warframe). WoW servers shutting down for “maintenence” is a joke, that is old and tired. It’s something the WoW community has just dealt with for years and has gotten used to. I don’t care anymore, but just giving Blizz a pass is not the answer. If you add up all the hours of game time lost during “scheduled maintenence” the company has been paid for, it’s millions and millions of hours. Imagine if AT&T or Apple shut down their service for an hour or two every week, do you think that might be a problem? If their servers need to be shut down for hours a week to be “maintenenced”, then there is something wrong as they are the ONLY game I know of who does this. Shut downs, restarts, bug fixes and patches are all understandable but unscheduled, multi hour shutdowns two or three times a week just means one thing to me, the content wasn’t tested enough before it was released, and that opens up the possibility there aren’t enough quality control checks, or people to do said checks. So, we, the gamers become the testers. we pay for monthly subscriptions to test the game. No…WoW is the ONLY game I have ever played where you don’t know for sure if, when you log in, you’ll actually be able to play. and let’s be honest at least, if it happens on an unscheduled day, at a random time…it’s NOT “Scheduled”, it’s Unscheduled.