Why is the balance for healer in M+ so bad right now?

describing an ability only some specs have as “excelling at” is kind of odd. i don’t excel at bench pressing just because i can do it and somebody without arms can’t.

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Right… it’s almost like people play video games to have fun. Not stress.

I feel what makes M+ truly toxic is the Timer on the key. – Id be fine with them being more difficult if failure wasn’t dictated by a single wipe.

They could also, leave the timer and a failure doesn’t result in losing/rerolling the key. You just keep the same key at the same level until you complete it or get it downgraded by the NPC. – That way you can keep grinding it until you complete it.

Exactly - point being:

Most healers can Dispel Magic - Priests have Mass Dispel which removes Magic Debuffs from everyone, making Priests excel at removing Magic Debuffs.

Shamans can remove Poisons from most of thier party with a GCD Totem – Priests don’t have that option, nor can they remove Curses.

All healers should have all removal as a baseline, even if its a 8-10 second CD. - You can still give advantages to certain healers by making them excel. ie; Mass Dispel, Poison Cleaning Totem, ect…

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Poison cleansing totem going to get the nerf bat. They’ll probably make it a 3 minute cooldown or something. More acid rain nerfs I’m sure.

Still no interrupt for priests

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People need to stop with the Nerfs – Just buff the other classes ffs.

M+ are already difficult enough for healers. Lets not make EVERY single class miserable. lol

Spreading misery is what they do best

We NEED this – As a class that is most affected by missed Kicks. Reserving mine for when everyone elses is on CD would alleviate a lot of problems.

Again, Priests have Silence on Shadow, but its a 45-second CD – Shamans have a 12-second CD on a Ranged Kick as baseline. – I just don’t get it… I really don’t understand.

I really want someone at Blizzard to create a post detailing the reason why Priests have the worst Kits out of all Healers… our only benefit is our ability pump out HPS, but I’ll gladly sacrifice HPS if I can avoid healing damage entirely, with either a Kick or more DoT removal.

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The shadowpriest silence should be moved to the class tree. Have it be a choice with chastise stun

Chastise isn’t on the class tree though? Its on the holy spec tree.

Here’s my Solution:

  • All Priest get “Power Word: Stifle” as an interrupt. 12-second CD
  • Shadow gets a talent choice for “Shadow Word: Silence”
    – SW: Silence - (Replaces Power Word: Stifle) 30-Second CD
    – Silences the Target Preventing all Spell Casting for the next 5-seconds (3-seconds in PvP)
    – If PW: Silence successfully interrupts a cast, refund 20-seconds to its CD

Wow that’s a very good proposal. I wish they would. Might take a lil PvP balancing but otherwise good

I went from Holy Priest to Prevoker this expac and oh my god how did I play priest. PI was not worth the tradeoff for mobility, interrupts, CC increases, good cleanses, lust… I only don’t count AOE CC because I played a tauren, so I had War Stomp. If I hadn’t chosen Tauren…

And Prevoker isn’t even the best healer this expac. But the upgrade blows my mind. Priest has some useful tools, but nothing that is really top-tier in dungeons rn. Priest could at least use an interrupt. Please.

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I will never understand why live service devs pull this stunt. Even Outriders devs had to buff their reward structure because it was on life support from not respecting the player’s time.

It’s always when the playerbase tanks the devs are willing to play ball

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I am kind of sad that Resto shaman is in the limelight at the moment because that means inevitably people are going to whine enough to get us nerfed. I hate when my chosen class becomes the “meta” or whatever, cause eventually it gets FUBARd.

That said, nothing has really changed about resto shaman. It isn’t like they added a ton of utility this expansion and made them this extra beast.

The issue is that they designed dungeons and affixes in a way that Resto Shaman actually has a complete kit for. This is NOT resto shaman’s fault and Resto shaman SHOULD NOT be nerfed/butchered because of it.

This is solely Blizzard’s whole designing process where they design things in a tunnel and don’t realize the consequences and then they screw things up trying to fix it downstream after it’s been pointed out a thousand times.

That said, there are some overexaggerations out there too. For example, this weeks affix is terrible if you don’t have a group who is aware of how to handle it. I was in a stonevault 3 earlier on my baby mage that fell apart at second boss. Why? Cause we consistently only ever got 1-2 stacks of the affix while the mobs got 3-4. Why? Cause outside of me curse dispelling (I knew what to do cause I’ve healed quite a few keys with this affix), the paladin healer never dispelled once and often times looks like he just stood there staring at his screen in confusion (we also had a DH and a fury warrior and prot warrior and frankly that comp sucked). If the group plays the affix, vs just expecting a healer to do it, it’s really not bad. I healed a group with my priest and we didn’t have a shaman (it was just a 4 for the few runed crests I still need) and we didn’t have a single issue because the unholy DK pre-ams’d, I could dispel 2 within the duration of the debuff, the mage clicked his dispel, and the monk tank clicked his… The affix was like 2 seconds of annoyance every time it came up. So to say a shaman is mandatory is just bologna there lol.

But, yeah, the other healers just need some utility re-vamp if this is the design path of affixes and dungeons moving forward. But, also, people need to understand it is a group game and the group (regardless of role) needs to be utilizing their utility.

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You could probably avoid giving every Healer an interrupt if the CC changes were reverted and hard CC actually worked to interrupt things again.

as a prevoker, you can just statis collect naturalize, or echo Spiritbloom and heal through it pretty easily. even cooler if it goes out during a damage point where you’d want to echo spiritbloom anyway. then again, Prevoker is the Other Healer Class people might take to a high key, so. you know. If you’re running with another evoker, I believe the DPS evokers can also dispel.

It’s not a hard affix to manage but it’s a pain if the DPS don’t know how to handle it.

This pretty much sums it up 100%. The issue is that >90% of the DPS out there view it as a healer problem, lol.

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honestly if i didn’t have my own personal dps squad idk if i’d run keys at all LOL. having a death knight that knows how to click AMS and another evoker that knows what their cooldowns do is really helpful.

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True, but like I said here:

The issue here, though, is that this perpetuates

Its a never ending cycle.