Title. I found out today that this exists after I beat Wrathion last night with a pug group. And then this morning when, I tried to join another group who was at Skritta, I found out that I couldn’t get into the raid. As someone who has to pug mythic to make any progress, It’s super annoying to only be able to have one attempt to clear this thing. For anyone who doesn’t know;
You get locked to the raid that you clear any boss with on mythic difficulty. If you pug with a random group and beat the first boss, you’re bound to that group for the rest of the week.
If the reason for this lockout is to prevent people from farming mythic gear, it makes sense-- but, it only makes sense for this to be a thing early in the current raid tier. How long as Ny’alotha been out now?.. four months? This lockout should be dropped with the completion of the Hall of Fame. Does anyone else agree?
It’s supposed to be more old school. The intention IS to get the same group of players to go and do it together rather than making it another pug level. That is also why you can’t do them cross realm.
You can only do them cross realm once the Famed Slayer is over. The intention is that while the content is current and people are progressing, you progress as a community.
To get you to join a consistent group of ppl… Whether a guild or Discord.
You can raid Mythic xrealm now. But Blizz still wants you to have a consistent group.
It’s to hold people accountable and promote a static group. Removing the lockout wouldn’t do anything positive for the game really because:
PUGs are still not going to progress. Skitra is going to be a dumpster fire without comms and I have already done enough HEROIC Maut PUGs to not have too much faith in that either.
It isn’t going to make filling rosters out easier with LFG or anything either. If you are at 19 people and need a 20th for something like Vexiona or whatever, you are more likely to get an actual 20th person with a raid lockout because if it was loot locked like it is in heroic and below then your 20th has zero obligation to stay after a single wipe and you are going to be stuck with a revolving door…just like heroic PUGs.
It’s to keep people from holding multiple lockouts. I think it’s a good thing. For instance, my guild doesn’t really need a lot of loot from M Nyalotha, but we still need some off Ra-Den and Ilgynoth. So if there was no raid ID, we would have alts hold and extend lockouts at those 2 bosses so we could jump straight there, get the loot and continue our progress on Carapace and N’zoth.
Since there is a Raid ID lockout, guilds have to make a decision if they want to extend or reclear for loot near the end of the tier.
This makes Mythic puggable cause cross realm, before HoF you cant pug it, the lockout has been there forever, want to go further? join a mythic progress guild.
I guess you’re all making sense, but it still feels like a “!@#$ you” to me. I’m alone in this fight, I have to pug by myself to do mythic. Suppose I beat Wraithion with a group, then shortly afterwards I’m kicked for whatever reason. Well now I’m !@#$ed for the rest of the week.
It seems there is no incentive for the raid group as a whole to keep anyone who under-performs or doesn’t know the fight, etc. You guys talk about “old school”, “accountability”, and “consistent groups” but this seems pretty one-sided as there is no consistent group for me and I’m always at the mercy of the raid leaders.
I think the best “happy medium” here would be lowering the requirements for the “skip” in the raid. The mythic skip for this tier does absolutely nothing. You aren’t going to kill Illy’G 5 times and get to use the skip while progging. I would say even 3 kills is getting on questionable status because you have to reclear soooo many bosses to get there and it is a huge “waste” of time to do so since that is at least 6 bosses which is pretty much going to take you over 2 of your 6-9 hours or whatever. And then you have to kill 4 more bosses to get back to Carapace or whatever.
Just drop it to 2 kills or whatever that way you at least have to reclear it once.
I don’t like how mythic works at all. It works for the whole world first race but outside of that, the 20 man lock, the cross realm lock. it’s all just dumb
Definitely agree. Idk what they were thinking in making you get to Carapace first to get the quest, then you have to re kill 4 times to get the skip. Actually completely useless for 99% of mythic guilds.
Then join a guild that does mythic progress, you would have a point if your realm was dead, but it isnt, you have 96 mythic raiding guilds, yet you choose to pug after HoF is done, thats on you only, the moment a current mythic raid can be cleared with pugs easily you know the raid is trash.
This is just how Mythic works. If you were in a guild, it wouldn’t be any different. If you don’t perform, you get benched. Mythic is a team sport, and the raid leader is trying to build a team that has the best chance of killing the boss each week. Pretty much every raid leader is going to tell you that if you don’t like the way they do things, there are other guilds.
Same thing with PUGs, if the PUG leader knows what they are doing they will kick people that they think can’t beat the boss.
Idk. We have been extending since we got to Ra-Den because of how much of a waste of time reclearing is even if people need the chest piece from skitra or whatever. Doesn’t help that some bosses that should supposedly be on farm we can spend half an hour dying to failing soccer or whatever.
Yeah, we are extending since we killed Ilgy this week. Once we get Carapace down we might hold that lockout on an alt, reclear Ra-Den 1 more time, then go full N’zoth prog the week after until he’s dead.
We’ve killed Ra-Den 3 times and have gotten 0 weapons and only 4 Vita’s. Super unlucky.
No, because it’s mythic raiding. there’s not a lot of room to hand-hold. Especially in pugs that typically aren’t by nature going to be as organized as non-pugged raids.
There is no room for people to walk in not knowing the fights.