First, the finals had multiple boomkins there.
Second, mages bring more defenses and sheep. Along with basically every top AWC comp having a paladin who can bubble/WoG instantly teammates to full to help manage it.
Convoke doesn’t ALWAYS hit for 40k instantly, but as we saw with cdew in AWC< sometimes it does and even paladins can’t stop it before getting deleted.
You are 1350 rated telling me I don’t know what I am talking about. HIlarious.
Convoke cannot be LOSd because the druid comes out of stealth next to you and casts it. Sure, you can LOS the last 4 spells, but you got hit with 4 spells before you got to a point to LOS that came out in .5 secs, and then continue to take the DoT damage. That is if the first 4 spells didn’t already do 30k dmg and you’re dead anyway.
This isn’t remotely the same as a fire Mage, who has to come out of stealth, cast 2 fireblasts, and then pyro, wait on global, and then if you LOS at any point has to use his next global to blink and get to you before casting another pyro/FB, wait on global again, and continue.
This is a huge difference in both time and damage mitigation. You’d know that if you actually had an arena rating.
If hes next to you, just stun/fear/interrupt. Whats the problem? Sounds like a L2P moment.
Plus if hes next to you, that means youre getting hit with rake and thrash far more likely than starsurge.
oof. You’re a clown. Make sure you donate to cdew and tell him that too. You know, a multiple rank 1 glad who made it to the finals of AWC when you can’t hit the 1400 bracket he needs to L2P too when he got deleted instantly in his match.
Cdew had time to bubble. Everyone knows it. He tried to hold on to his defensive and died. He made a mistake. It happens even among the best players.
The finals had one game with a boomkin and 11 fire mages. They lost the only match they had with a balance druid.
Is convoke poorly designed? Sure. Is balance druid OP? No. It has mediocre arena representation. It has terrible AWC representation. But it can gib people insanely fast with RNG.
You can hate something and want changes. But dont exaggerate and make it seems like balance druids are a scourge on rated arena. You rarely see them at high level play for a reason.
He tried to hold onto his bubble and died because he knew if he used it there he was going to be dead later in the match. That’s the entire problem with Convoke.
It forces the enemy team to use multiple critical cooldowns in return for 1 of the boomkins 2 min one that they cannot get back when his convoke returns or to avoid burst from the boomkin’s partner. And if you aren’t a paladin, even those critical CDs you burn don’t guarantee you stay alive and you die anyway.
It warps the entire match like literally no other class ability in the game. That’s a problem. It’s a broken ability that needs nerfed, and the mere fact it showed up in the finals while hunters,DKs,DHs were non-existent means saying AWC representation was terrible is silly. Even priests/rogues had far less representation, only showing up because PMR is the only comp those classes have to go anywhere.
Convoke is not just a scourge in arenas, but RBGs too. All high rated RBGs strat revolve around getting multiple boomkins and then a bunch of cleave to stop anyone from touching them.
Your ability to over exaggerate balance druid representation is truly stunning. How come in the finals the boomkin didnt score a kill whenever he pressed convoke? According to you a holy pally has zero ways to survive a convoke outside bubble. The druid used it twice. Scored zero kills. Paladin cant bubble both.
Change this thread to nerf fire mage please
Your ability to try and shift to a strawman argument and ignore literal facts is actually what’s stunning.
Did a balance druid appear in the finals?
Did a hunter?
Did a Demon Hunter?
Did a DK?
When you can answer those, then explain to me logically how that makes their representation in AWC “terrible” when half the classes in this game didn’t even show up period?
Then, once you’ve realized that, you can end your strawman and get back to the point that it’s irrelevant because convoke is absolutely busted, regardless of what their appearance was at AWC.
Rather die to convoke than be cc spammed by mage rogue. Least I laugh at insane damage. CC has barely changed since its inception and is way too strong compared to the effort most CC’s take to land. Feels like I’m playing a turn based card game most of the time.
There are lots of specs that are strong right now. Lots of things can be broken. This thread is about just one of those. We could make a similar type threads for Combust, Divine Toll, WoG, etc.
The big issue is RNG. Is it fair for ANY ability to one shot a player regardless of RNG or how long it takes to setup? My answer would be no. There should never be a time that a player can’t even react fast enough to survive an ability. We are talking about damage in literally a 1/2 second or less…
This coming from a 1200 player is the most hilarious thing in this thread. 107 games played and 1200. You can’t even make this up…
Why are you using it on a target that can easily LOS???
Just a big OOF. These matches are won and loss on whoever burns through CDs faster. It wasn’t a mistake even. The Convoke did enough damage to essentially kill him and the monk. If he had bubbled, then he wouldn’t have had it for the next convoke. Given the RNG of the spell, which is the problem, you can easily over invest… or under invest. Convoke can be a flop or it can do 50k+ damage to a single target in the first .5s.
It’s such a massive dice roll for both teams and it really doesn’t have a place in competitive play.
You can make your own with screenshots. 
Oh so what happened to MM Hunters. Which is we got nerfed twice and the classes / specs that were obviously still an issue didn’t get touched at all.
I tried to explain that but he doesn’t get it. He’s been facerolling on his boomkin thinking it was because he was good and doesn’t want to face reality when his rating craters after the nerf.
Calling me a strawman when you are using a 7 game sample size. Also I am certainly in agreeance that several classes are in a worse space. DH didnt have a single game all tourney. They need serious help. Hunters had an awful win rate and also need help. DK’s only performed well against melee cleaves and also need help.
Sweet to see you devolve pure toxicity as you ignore any of my points you cant refute. I am aware I am not a great PVPer. That is why I am referencing actual great players games for my argument and no the loser bracket we are in.
At top tier play mages had 10x the representation balance did. That is the only argument I need. Those guys would play a roll of wet paper towel if they thought it would give them a higher chance to win.
How does it feel when 1200 players are telling you to git gud and interupt it.
Also aint nobody doing 50k on the very first tick of convoke, I get that it can be crazy when a full channel goes off. But no reason to exaggerate
Because 1200 players have 1200 logic. A good boomkin isn’t going to waste convoke when the other team can just kick it. How can you seriously be this bad? Do you seriously not track kicks??
Why would I use my biggest ability if the other team can just kick it? I would bait the kick or their trinket with clone first. If they don’t want to kick any clones, then great, free CC. They don’t want to use any kicks to stop heals? Even better. You’re literally asking players to NEVER kick and ONLY save it for Convoke.
Don’t ever say git gud when you’re a 1200 player. You can’t even play your own class at a competent level to be mocking other players.
First tick? There are 16 casts in 4 seconds. 1 cast every .25s. I didn’t say the first tick. I said in a 1/2 second. That’s 2 casts which the screenshots show.
Funny how you bash my “1200 logic” and then say things like that. You realize there are a multitude of tools you can use to counter convoke right.
LOS, interupt, feign, turtle, trap… plus all the tools your arena partners have.
“You’re asking me to save a cool down to counter their win condition”
Yeah that’s like how pvp works.
If they nerf convoke the boomie has no burst. We can get one starsuge off then we have to start casting. Celest used to give us AP so we could get off 3 stars urges with one cast. Now it doesnt. If you want convoke nerfed then other parts of the spec needs changed
I’m bashing your 1200 logic because good players don’t waste their biggest CD if it’s going to get instantly shut down. A 1200 player saying git gud… the irony.
LoS? lol. The druid comes out of stealth behind us and you actually say los. Again, what decent druid is going to use convoke on a target that will easily los? As far as turtle goes, yes… I can use turtle, but that is a 3 minute CD vs a 2 minute CD. Feign doesn’t work consistently enough. If you have already been targeted by a spell and it’s in the air, the feign will break and you’ll still be in combat. Trap. You realize boomkins can move while casting convoke right?
Again, look at the screenshots. In one instance I was hit for my full health in .25s. By the time I could even see the druid coming and start the channel I was already dead. .25s from the first cast to the second.
So you acknowledge and are aware of how dangerous convoke is. You know it’s their biggest win condition. You know it should be top priority.
Yet you are unwilling to trade cool downs or do anything about it at all.
Lol ok.
You’re saying between 3 people. Which combined have like 10+ counters to convoke. None of you are able to do anything about it.