Not sure why anyone cares that people use that add-on. Personally I cringe whenever someone who has it levels up and you get to see the little advertisement that says they are clueless on how to level without someone holding a leash. Honestly its probably to blame for a lot of the low level deaths, as it leads people into things they shouldn’t be doing.
Rxp guides are literally config data. We did cover it already. Its been sold for years and years and years.
Meant to combine this, not repost.
Its incredibly sad that those type of people get you so up in arms that you have to visit the forum to try and take it away from them.
You care so much about something you have proven you can’t comprehend and claim you don’t need… but you’re still here now.
No, they’re guides, not configuration parameters but you can call it what you want, it’s against TOS for the addon developer to require any monetary compensation for it. It’s quite literally written in the post you replied to. Every single one of those points in Rule 1 has been addressed and you calling it configuration data means nothing.
Notice how it specifically mentions developers of the addon. As I’ve said before, this doesn’t cover 3rd party individuals seeking monetary compensation for things and is not what we’re arguing. It specifically covers the developer of the addon. To summarize:
- RXP is an addon for leveling guides.
- The developer of the RXP addon provides a basic free version of guides to level from 1-20
- The developer of the RXP addon also sells the real product: the guides that get you to max level.
- Those paid guides are a service the developer is selling related to the add on.
Whenever they feel like it if Blizzard wont enforce their own policies. However, most aren’t as greedy as RXP. However, let’s easily monetize some popular addons under the guise of “configuration data”
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DBM/Bigwigs: Addon becomes a “Free Addon to Display Boss Timers”. You can buy the boss timer packs for each expansion, but the addon lets you create your own as well!
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Details: Addon becomes a “Free Combat Log Display”. You can buy all the various configuration files for each graph or you can write your own files!
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Tom-Tom becomes a “Free Waypoint Navigation Addon”. You can buy each map or just upload your own with custom coordinates!
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Questie becomes a “Free Quest Objective Tracker”. You can buy the database with quests or you can upload your own!
You can (poorly) argue that RXP is 100% in the clear because of a single degree of separation in their addon paywall scheme but once you apply the same logic to every popular addon you can see how miserable the player experience would become. Your argument that “it hasn’t happened yet” doesn’t make what RXP does within the TOS.
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Blizzard is inconsistent with their enforcement, as already stated. Streamers get away with things we’d be banned for. It’s part of the complaint that some people get away wity breaking tos while we cant.
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So you admit there is a degree of separation, guides are not addons, and that guides have been sold since the game launched by third party companies.
You also admit addon config data is currently sellable under tos.
Thanks for proving all my points for me.
Its ok to live in fear of a made up scenario that hasn’t happened yet and never will. There will always be free addons no matter what rxp leads to. Believing everything goes to paywall is absurdity at its finest, but keep fighting the good fight, i guess. Its just weird to use fear of a paywall to make up a lie about rxp being in violation.
Nothing has changed though, and at least you finally admit that one degree of separation is all it takes to avoid a tos violation and prove guides are not the addon. Luckily i can argue elegantly or poorly and that will remain fact.
Its obvious you are armed with fear, not facts. I’ll keep waiting on that other shoe to drop.
That’s the “loophole” you think makes the monetization ok.
This was the stupid argument I could only laugh at by that other guy. RXP is by definition an addon. There would be no issue if the guides were documents that didnt interact with the game at all. But it does interact with the game files. Thus, it’s covered by the 2018 addon policy that we’ve been quoting.
Those guides arent config data. The entire point of the addon is those guides by the addon developer and as weve already covered, developers may not seek monetary compensation in any form. Sure, some rando could write their own guide, but that’s not at all the point of the RXP addon. It’s not like unit frame configurations which provide full functionality and the differences are personal preference.
You’ve yet to provide a single fact. Your argument to date has been “RXP isn’t a TOS violation because I said so based on these incorrect definitions”.
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Rxp is not a tos violation. Rxp provides full accessibility for the addon at point of download. Proof, blizzard has not acted to correct a tos violation. This is where you claim some conspiracy or some such nonsense.
Don’t need to have any other proof.
Again, your opinion that the guides should be considered part of the addon for creating guides is massively irrelevant and far from fact. Does not apply to weakauras, doesn’t apply here. And again, thanks for proving my points for me.
You also need a lesson in legaleese if you think what you quoted is proof in your favor. Proof in my favor? No legal action has been taken by blizzard.
That doesn’t prove anything regarding RXP. It just means they havent enforced it. If you have a statement from blizzard saying it’s
fine then that would be proof. Hence the entire claim about selective enforcement. Blizzard has been known to do this before in regards to the other elements of the tos.
Yeah, you kinda do.
You’re missing a few important details here that I already covered. The entire purpose of the RXP addon is the quality of the RXP guides written by the same developer of the addon just like the entire purpose of DBM or Bigwigs is the boss timer packs. Separating the guides from the addon was a thinly veiled attempt at finding a loophole in the policy.
The guides and addon author being the same is another major reason why the monetization is against policy. The policy explicitly states that addon developers cannot monetize anything related to the addon. They’re clearly doing that.
Weakauras are entirely different. The point of weakauras is for individuals to create whatever auras they want. It isn’t an addon created the solely facilitate the sale of a particular weakaura pack by the same developer. There are only a few weakaura packs out there that charge money and those are all by 3rd party individuals, not the WA developers themselves?
See the difference yet.
I directly quoted Blizzard’s addon policy. You need a law in common sense if you think it needs to be written in the same manner as law.
Here’s a legal lesson for you, the addon policy isnt legally binding in any way. Blizzard can ban anyone or anything for whatever reason (or no reason) they want. However, in their own best interests they dont just go around banning for no reason and they wrote up a general set of policies. Again, this is where the selective enforcement argument comes into play.
Lavo- “The proof that blizzard isnt selectively enforcing their policy is because they haven’t enforced this policy violation”
Rofl.
How about you actually point to the policy and argue how RXP isn’t violating that?
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Do you have a statement from blizz saying its a tos violation? Most people wouldn’t use an if/then argument if they can’t prove their side. Yikes.
This is what cracks me up. The entire point of rxp is to provide the platform to create your own guides. Nothing else. You just want it to be different. Guides are not part of the addon. They are literally files stored separately that the addon interprets, JUST LIKE WEAKAURAS.
A tos is LITERALLY a legal document that exists for the sole purpose of outlining a player’s right to play, and how they can play the game. Essentially preventing frivolous lawsuits from players who get banned and protecting a company’s legal right to deny service. It is absolutely legally binding and it provides the basis to prevent those lawsuits. Hilarious that you think its just like a company handbook or something. Bwahahaha… So yes, it meets legal standards and is not subject to your opinionated ideas of what is or isn’t an addon. At no point in the quoted portions does it define the guides as part of the addon. You want it to, but it doesn’t. The guides created with the addon are not part of the addon. The auras created are not part of weakauras.
The developer making a guide is not some big proof for you. The quoted portion of the tos does not describe it as a violation. The guides are not the addon by legal standards, providing one degree of legal separation, which is all we need in this lovely country. The guides are not the addon.
Rxp is entirely the same as weakauras. The point of rxp is to create guides for whatever the player wants. End of story. Doesn’t matter if the developer makes a guide and sells it, sorry. Weakaura devs sell configs too, lol. Last i checked a member of that project literally programs for the rtwf. You know, for money, not for free. The guides and auras are not the addons.
I knew you’d mention selective enforcement. Its just funny to see you offer it as proof. As if your belief in selective enforcement in this case holds more water than my belief in a legally reasoned lack of action. In order for selective enforcement to apply then you must have an example of a previously monetized addon that follows the same structure as rxp or weakauras that was actioned. In other words for selective enforcement to apply both actions need to have a history of being enforced based on differing criteria. A lack of any punitive enforcement is proof positive of zero selective enforcement- quite literally i might add. I’ll wait for your example proving both actions have been taken. The combination of words itself says i don’t need any other proof unless you can show me both actions have been taken. Otherwise you are just trying to gaslight me into believeing selective enforcement occurred based quite literally in your own confirmation bias.
Inb4 unless you provide an addon only example, I’m not interested about hearing how X streamer bought gold on stream or some other such strawman. Truly blows my mind that you call selective but have zero examples of both actions. Literally illogical. You do not even understand the trigger words you’re using.
This is blatantly false.
Again, not in this case. It would help if you actually referred to the blue post we’ve been quoting and talking about.
Yes, it does.
No, it isnt.
Didn’t you just try to offer it as proof?
Lol, tos not a legal document. Literally just google it. Google “terms of service” bwahaha. I can’t believe i had to say that. Wow. You live in an alternate reality and this is very obviously not worth the time if you believe its not a legal document. Violate tos and tell me what your legal options are when you sue blizzard to return your services rofl. I promise they won’t use that tos you acknowledged and agreed to when you made your account in court.
Only you offered selective enforcement conspiracies as proof, lol. Saying it isnt a violation so it hasn’t been actioned is not the same.
Good luck out there.
I’ll keep waiting on that other shoe to drop.
This is a long way to say you dont know where the addon policy we’re quoting comes from. Hint: it’s not in a legally binding tos. Another hint: it doesn’t have to be when it comes to enforcement.
I see the blue post. You mean the one that is an excerpt directly from the tos, right? Right there in the blue post are the words “failure to abide by them may result in measures up to and including taking formal legal action.” A notification of intent to pursue legal action is a legal document. Also buried right there in the addon policy is the statement all addons must adhere to the “terms of use” (tos) signed by all blizzard players. Kinda voids your whole not legal “in this case” (whatever that means) arguement right there… all of it. This is 100% the same legal document rofl. Still doesn’t say the guides are part of the addon.
The addon policy you quoted is literally an excerpt from the ToU. A document that outlines the acceptable behaviors available to both a participant and blizzard up to and possibly resulting in legal action and a court battle is a legal document. Do you think those addon devs were just provided with a blue post, not an actually developed legal policy document? Yikes.
Good luck out there.
Of course it doesn’t. It also doesn’t specifically mention any other examples.
My argument is that RXP is a paid addon and a thinly veiled attempt at a loophole doesnt change that means it is in violation of requirement 1 and should be banned. That it isnt shows selective enforcement by blizz.
Not sure how that is voided by the requirement that they also have to adhere to the ToU?
Is there a reason why you think adhering to requirement 7 invalidates the need to adhere to requirement 1?
Feel free to address the actual point rather than dancing around whether the legal Is and Ts have been dotted and crossed.
So what happens when rested xp stops selling paid guides but still publishes the app for free…. and a third party website starts selling guides that can be ingested into the app?
Should third party sites that work with an addon be able to cause it to be shut down?
The fact is - rested xp guides are different than the rested xp addon.
Not sure how you would enforce a rested xp ban without sending a bad precedent
As I stated before, that’s not against the policy since they aren’t the developer of the addon. RXP guides and the RXP addon are the same. Like zygor, the addon was created specifically for those $30 guides.
I personally dont think any monetization related to addons should be allowed but that’s not currently what’s wirtten.
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I’m in awe at how many time the worgen continued to argue on this thread, when the Blood elf literally posted the TOS that says its a violation. Its okay to have an opinion about whether “You think” it should or shouldn’t be okay. But the fact is it is indeed illegal. As stated in that repeatedly posted TOS quote. Take the L bro. It aint goin nowhere fast… They haven’t banned it yet, until they do your add on will remain. But just admit your were wrong, and the TOS proved it… This thread did not need to be this long.
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Yet again you cherrypick a specific statement and then deliberately respond to it out of context. It could not be more obvious i meant it voided your argument the blue post addon policy wasnt part of a legal tou. Easiest way to say you have nothing to say? That post’s strawman, rofl.
You ignored this part before, so here it is again. In order for you to prove selective enforcement is occuring you have to have proven both actions have been taken but by unequal standards. Prove an addon has been banned for monetizing the way rxp has. Then and only then can you claim selective enforcement on behalf of rxp. Its not hard and we’ve all been waiting on you to do that. Otherwise you’re just another conspiracy theorist with a tinfoil hat and a weird fixation on rxp crying that its all just so unfair.
I have addressed it countless times and my point hasn’t changed once. Guides are not part of an addon solely provided for the creation of guides. Sorry. Auras are not part of the addon made for making auras. You want these to be different, but legally (the only qualification that matters when two parties, one a massive company, are involved in a dispute) they are not. You know who agrees with me? BLIZZARD. Proof is that rxp is still here. I need absolutely zero more rofl. Its you that keeps coming up short proving selective enforcement or providing the correct portion of the tos that describes addon config data as part of the addon.
Keep buying that tinfoil buddy, and thank you for abandoning that “its not legal” nonsense. It truly was wild.
This conversation has very obviously run its course. Keep spouting unsupported conspiracy theories about selective enforcement and preaching for an rxp ban. I’ll be sitting back laughing at the futility.
Good luck out there!
Addon comes with starter versions of the full guides (premium versions) they sell.
Even their sponsor adds refer to them as the same name as the addon.
We all understand they tried to use a loophole, but we all know that there are no other guides for that addon except the ones being sold. It’s quite clear to most people.
What a silly argument for someone who loves debate 101 buzzwords
Lol.
Time to use one of your ivy league debate tactics as my proof of selective enforcement.
It did ages ago but I found the erratic pathing of your “logic” funny.