Why High Elf Options for Void Elves isn't bad at all or atleast another route to end the debate

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"Ultimately, it is a matter of time before the fel-power induced green glint reverts back to the blood elves’ regular high elven eyes. " - Ask CDev Answers - Round 2

I mean, I do. Giving blood elves blue skin and a tentacle in their hair doesn’t differentiate them enough to allow them to be swapped faction. If it were the old core team, it wouldn’t have been so lazily done. It’s been proven time and time again as time progresses and more core members of Blizzard step down / leave the design gets lazier and worse as we go on.

Remember when every race had their own special casting animations? When they updated animations, they made them same across the board for classes.

Remember tier armor sets for each class being unique? Now we get 1 set per armor tier.

If you’re too blind to recognize the game’s been declining in parallel with all these poor decisions that aren’t aligned with what made the game so popular and successful initially, this is not a conversation you can comprehend.

I dislike it, that’s my opinion. They’re the least played race, you can safely say the overwhelming majority of the player base has that same opinion. Unless you want to say everyone loves them, but they just don’t play them because whatever silly reasoning you have.

Then why did you even start arguing with me in the first place…?

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Because your point literally was about presenting it as “No high elves shouldn’t be playable, they should give blue eyes to blood elves”, and when you put one in function of the other it’s clear your whole point is biased and most likely, also want blue eyes for Blood Elves so HE’s are more unlikely.

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Yes, that’s literally what I’ve been saying. Giving alliance high elves is dumb because there’s blood elves already Ion even stated it himself as well, how do you not understand that? If you want to play a fair skinned elf THEY EXIST. Adding 3 different variations of the SAME EXACT race is dumb.

I even stated that void elves were a mistake. Copy pasting the exact model and re-coloring the skin blue and swapping it factions is completely dumb. Have you even been reading anything…? You also can’t poke holes in that because there’s nothing to poke holes in. That’s my OPINION. Once again, if I say my favorite color is purple and I think It’s the coolest color, you arguing with me that my favorite color is red and that I’m wrong is completely silly.

The fact that you’re trying to paint this as me trying to scheme something is completely silly. I’ve blatantly stated my opinion. Yes, I don’t think alliance should have high elves. If people want high elves in the game, blood elves should be adapted to have the option to be represented as high elves. We don’t need 3 races that look exactly the same on both faction, it ruins faction identity, period.

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their* sorry, that just really bugged me

Not at all. Yes, there are high elves. That doesn’t mean they should be playable. That’s like saying “Well, we should have a variation of worgen on the horde because we just want worgens and draenei but with red skin and they can be manarei and humans but to make them different we’ll add horns on them”

Does that get the point across? I understand you guys don’t get that, but It’s literally what the game was founded on, so throwing core ideals out the window is blasphemous.

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Fixed that for you

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Void elves themselves were bad, though. The extremely lazy copy / paste in itself is chipping away at faction identity and divide, something that the game was literally founded on and was a core part of the game throughout its most successful time periods.

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Exactly. Adding 3+ sub elves that look exactly alike just bloats the game and is completely un-necessary imo.

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Honestly that’s because you just don’t seem to get that people care about certain parts of the lore. Like I understand it might not be a concern of yours but like, it exists.

Nah, I’m just pointing out, that for better or worse, you seem to follow aesthetic essentialism as part of faction identity. As for which I can only say, yes, that’s entirely subjective and Ion’s own stance, nonetheless it’s a matter of opinion about gameplay that is ultimately divorced from the actual lore.

I do think you have a good point for opinions, but as for:

That just makes it sound you still don’t grasp what are the High Elves people have been asking for. Like do you realize that even if they give blue eyes to Blood Elves they won’t be what people have asking for, right?

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And as I have said before, the correlation you are implying between the game quality and “faction identity” is only that, a correlation. Like I get your opinion is that it hurts faction identity, but the correlation you are making for your argument here is really just baseless.

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I fully understand that and I’m saying it conflicts with whats already existing in the game and the standards the company had set as its core values / ideas.

If you want high elves, It’s better to suggest / demand that blood elves be take out of the game first or be swapped to the alliance. Now THAT I would understand and could agree with if blood elves weren’t the most popular race in the game. So in my opinion you’re kind of stuck with what the game designers themselves said: If you want to play fair skinned elves, they already exist, we’re not going to add more of the exact same thing to the opposing faction, sorry.

I understand that, that’s what a vocal minority has harassed people about on the forums for a while now, but It’s just not going to happen with how things are. The developers themselves have explained it, I’ve attempted to explain it, I’m not sure what else needs to be said other than It’s not going to happen.

Yes, that adding the same race multiple times to the game and cross faction is a bad idea.

I mean It’s not subjective if the devlopers of the game itself have said “We’re not going to add high elves, they’re too closely related to blood elves which are already in the game” still chasing it further is just being delusional imo.

Perhaps I am missing something, please tell me more? I understand it as, alliance players want to go back in time and reverse all the negative things they did to the high elves and be allowed to play them as alliance high elves (well, that’s what would have to be done for it to make sense). Which won’t happen. The developers have even stated it won’t. I’m not sure what else needs to be said about it.

I disagree, I think it makes sense. Blizzard has said in previous videos about how they wanted every race to feel unique, easily identifiable even with armor on, etc.

Making blood elves with non-glowing blue eyes as the prime “difference” to make them an alliance allied race goes completely against that and has already been said by the developers of the game itself, that it won’t happen.

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Hey, I checked the front page.
Yeah, it didn’t end.

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Hence why the whole point is that we hope they change their minds*

*Or alternatively, something we haven’t addressed in this discussions, have High Elves have a distinct model/aesthetic form Blood Elves.

I know that’s your opinion, and as such, entirely subjective.

Their reasoning for it is subjective. Evidently all their decisions are, to a point, and we have clearly seen some of them work, and others fail tremendously.

Indeed you seem to be misinformed. The point is simply that we’d like the high elves that never left the alliance, thus never joined the Horde, to be playable.

It’s literally that we find interesting the narrative of a bunch of exiles outside of their cultural mainstream, holding to old loyalties when the rest of their people moved on.

My point here is that all of this doesn’t have anything to do with the quality of the game itself. Any correlation you make about it is only that, not causality.

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Hence why I’ve stated my opinion against it and have explained why and how it aligns with the basis of design of the entire game and how the developers feel, capiche?

I would agree if they had a distinct model aesthetic form different from void / blood elves but as I stated I think void elves themselves aren’t enough to be considered “different” they’re a poor copy paste / re-color. In my opinion, changing their eye color and adding a few different hair styles / blue tattoos is not a significant enough of a change to say “Yup it’s a new race”

I mean to be honest I’m not particularly a fan of allied races as a whole considering most of them have very few cosmetic changes from their base race, but can see why Blizzard went that route.

Also the opinion of the developer of the game itself, don’t forget that. The same people who made the game wildy popular and successful.

Which is un-necessary bloat / goes against the core principles of how the game was designed by the founders themselves and reiterated when the question kept being brought up. So the whole goal is “Okay we get that the game was made this way with faction divide in place, but we don’t care give us what we want or we’ll harass everyone on the forums and mass report people” the developer say “Hey, we’re not changing our stance. If you want to play that type of elf, It’s in game already and we’re not going to bloat our game with more of the same exact thing”

I think the definition of continuing on this crusade of demand is the definition of insanity, no? Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Which has been said multiple times by the devlopers themselves that, that won’t happen in world of warcraft. I mean, do they really need to say it a third time? Perhaps they need to be more blunt? Although I figured anyone could comprehend when they say “If you want that, it’s already in game, we’re not going to re-make them again” would be sufficient… I understand the want, but It’s not going to happen. No amount of harassment towards the community / developers is going to change that.

Which I disagree with. The game was wildly popular while these ideals were very stringent and as the game has declined, so has the loosening of these ideals. As I said before it’s obviously impossible to correlate them directly, but they clearly haven’t made a positive impact.

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No they won’t.