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[indent preformatted text by 4 spaces](https://imgur.com/a/ylHRTIG)That’s hilarious 
I saw this group and that’s how I knew spriest offhealing was insane
https://raider.io/mythic-plus-runs/season-df-1/30855197
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I used to think this, too. But, really what I think has happened is that players have gotten a lot better at the game and recognize that healers can contribute damage to fights, even back in Classic with wanding.
I remember suggesting, during Wrath of the Lich King, that healers try to do some damage in pulls when mana was not an issue. I got flamed up and down for this. At least back then, damage spells were not basically free, so there was a reason to not do it.
But I do agree, flame black or show them where they fell short if they get nasty.
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prot palas too, a good prot pala is basically tank/healer all in one
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And that’s not bad healing. But if another healer would get them this:
https://imgur.com/a/Pa27ily
Then of course they are going to want that. No they shouldn’t have flamed you.
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`indent preformatted text by 4 spaces`https://imgur.com/VpSnW2j https://raider.io/characters/us/frostmourne/Ionlyheal
check it out.
i am not making it up
Do you ever get tired of the same topic?
As a long time healer and a heal lead I get so very tired of listening to healers in modern WoW complain about doing damage. I am also curious as to why your healer didn’t post this comment. Methinks its so we can’t see said runs and/or logs.
Here is the simple truth - Your doing damage is just a modern shift in the community expectation. Sure - you timed that 20 with your friends. They play with you a lot and know your weaknesses as a healer, likely do their best to avoid them, and then they carry you on damage. Pugs and others don’t owe you that.
If you don’t want to play your character in line with the typical, and I’d say pretty fair, expectation… Stop pugging and leave room for the rest of us. Further than that, don’t frustrate others for what has now become a very common expectation on your role’s participation.
Is it fair that an overwhelming majority of mechanics are starting to fall on healers more and more in dungeon content? No. That’s a topic for another day, but I’d say that most casuals could heal their way pretty high with okay gear and zero expectation of damage (looking at you Holy Priests and Druids) but why bring you when you do basically nothing and someone else in your place can do 15-20K DPS, and making good use of great damage trinkets too?
The point - You timed a dungeon and did no damage. Hooray for your carry! The other way that could have gone, where you meaningfully contribute toward killing stuff, especially on tyrannical bosses where every bit helps, is just easier for the group.
The other way, where you do no DPS, and instead overheal the ever loving bejebus out of an instance makes you a waste of space for 2/3 of the run. Even more true when you consider how well tanks do at healing themselves nowadays.
I’d personally rather be useful… Wouldn’t you?
TL;DR - This whole idea where healers are resisting the cultural shift that has been a thing ever since M+ was introduced, where they should do damage is tired. Get with the times and learn how to hit those 4 damage buttons - it isn’t rocket surgery.
PS: I would flame a healer not doing damage and not doing explosive orbs too. That just makes for a frustrating and panicky run for everyone else. 
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Because healers dps still contribute to beating the timer of M+ or the enrage of raid bosses. /thread
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i saw
lemme back up
- no verification thats you. could be. could not be. i realized i stuck that point way too much and it really doesnt matter
- doing damage is fun and helps your group, no reason not to do it except just not wanting to
- explosive is healers duty mostly, then tank, then dps. whoever’s globals matter the least at a given time
- dont let people flame you, or at least dont let it discourage you
yes
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during explosive week i usually tell my party that my dps and ability to get explosives is limited to how much dmg they are taking. Chances are, if explosives are going off during the dungeon, we arent timing anyways cause im gcd locked, or dps arent smart enough to get explosive during an aoe phase where i have to heal.
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False. Healer DPS checks started becoming way more of a thing when they introduced Legion M+ and found that healers with DPS trinkets were able to not only pull great numbers, but they were clearing dungeons much faster.
I get the easy jump to the FFXIV idea and it’s true on maybe a little bit of a level, but not the real reason for the shift.
Second, maybe instead of the insinuation that folks who want to always be doing something in group content is somehow a bad thing… Why don’t you stop and think about what most non-healing intensive runs look like with your traditional lazy healer on a holy priest standing there 2/3 of the time turning oxygen into carbon dioxide and nothing else. Not only is that boring, but entirely useless in a timed run and not someone you keep when those timed runs get harder to the point their DPS is needed and they have zero practice in it.
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this is the funniest way ive read someone phrase this well done
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Orbs is a healer affix according to blizz. So you either pop it or you heal through it. It’s w/e you find easiest I guess.
What were you expecting to happen exactly?
Like don’t even really do Mythic+ and I know how toxic random groups can be towards healers especially on exploding like it should just common knowledge at this point
I really, really use to like to heal, that’s what I did.
I did the M+ in Legion for a time, and even in current DF. But in this current post, I find it interesting that no one talks about ‘DPS’ mitigation? So heals MUST do damage…but what about DPS being responsible for mitigating damage and healing themselves- or protecting the heals?
For a long time it has been so easy to ‘blame’ heals for problems and now heals are to blame for damage too. Let’s bring in the ‘DPS’ responsibility to ‘heal’ themselves with the tools given them, getting OUT of dmg … because I have seen a great deal of blame for DPS thinking ‘the healer’ is responsible for ‘me’. Uggg…
I am just inserting my opinion.
Personally, if I feel I can do damage here and there I do… and will… but let’s open both side of the conversation? Just My Opinion.
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Well healers don’t HAVE to do damage, granted most of us do try to on downtime… it’s not that deep if you don’t wanna do damage while healing.
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most dps i run keys with use defensives and off healing (ve, ag, nv). not always that well, and people eat stuff, but everyone makes mistakes
heals not doing damage until dps heal/use defensives can be reversed with dps not healing until the healer dpses, then you just have a standoff
stop worrying about your pugs and be the best player you can be
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The ultimate philosophy for pugging. All you can control is yourself, so you might as well show up as your best and let the chips fall where they may.
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