Why greater drums? just add tinnitus

It literally does.

You have to get the recipe as a random drop in a raid rather than having the recipe earned through reputations, and having the item that recipe produces simply update to reflect the buff.

Of course. It’s a pointless change that only inconveniences players and does nothing to actually discourage 25/25 LW.

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What possible reason could there be to not add a debuff to this broken “Teamwork” interaction that indeed becomes near-mandatory or meta? Add a debuff, just like you did with Heroism/Bloodlust after TBC.

If this change made sense immediately following TBC, it should stand to reason the change was a direct result of unhealthy game behavior, in this “hindsight” restoration of the game to implement a debuff like the community has literally been saying for MONTHS.

We all re-experienced how toxic the world buff meta could be – this is just perpetuating the TBC version.

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I really hope you guys reconsider this. This “solution” doesn’t really fix the problem. I just assumed everyone was going to need to be LW in competitive guilds. Then at Blizzcon you guys said you didn’t want it to be that way, and didn’t want people to feel forced into going LW’ing. But your solution is to maybe delay that until ZA? Even before that it’s arguable that it will be required, just more of a pain to group up your party within 8 yards. If people can manage that on Loatheb, you would be silly to think that is actually a significant enough change to make people not feel forced to go LW’ing.

Stacking up every 30s is teamwork. It’s gonna be fun =))

I think the most astounding thing about this idiocy is that the old “broken” system is literally better than their fix.

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“Wait for the watery Grave”
“Ok, Collapse for drums”

Fun and engaging

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You were early for April Fools btw. I’d say adjust your calendar, but apparently at Blizzard that means not changing anything and putting them closer together.

When there is a clear advantageous gain by going Leatherworking for higher dps on the meters; a players choice may be affected in a way that instead of going Tailoring, the mage is going to go LWing now…

Same could be said about racials in wow classic, you had a choice. If you want higher dps most people would have to choose orc or troll for Horde. Caster would be gnome on the Alliance side. If you wanted to play a certain class but the class was not covered by the race that has a clear dps boost, you were screwed. So I guess we should have complained to Blizzard about this and have the racials either removed or nerfed. People like you will never be satisfied and will always complain about something.

It’s sad how out of touch you are with reality. Comparing race/class combos to LW drums is hilarious. By looking only at the forums, this “change” doesn’t seem that large scale. However, go check YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Twitch, etc.; people are not happy with this “non-change” at all.

When an overwhelmingly high percent of the population wants something changed, and Blizzard blatantly ignores it, that is a problem. When Blizzard tells the world that they are going to make a significant change to it, and they don’t, that is a problem. What exactly are you upset about? People are angry because they feel lied to (again, and again, and again).

Clearly, your “view” is not representative of the WoW community (from the forums posts alone, not to mention all of the other sources I mentioned above).

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Right? I was prepared to go leatherworking in TBC because it is that powerful. However from their announcement I was excited about the possibility of not having to go leatherworking and pick some stuff.

So its the fact that they said otherwise and then did less than nothing, they made it worse.

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Wow, I am glad I don’t live my life by the consensus of a crowd…lol You will complain about something no matter what, be honest you will never be satisfied until Classic becomes retail. The drums existed in original TBC and now you want to change it because it does not conform to your play style or min-max goals. If you need a buff from drums to play your class, the issue is obviously you. Roll LW and stop with the complaining…jeez

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Just add Heroism and Sated to game and include drums with it. Wallah fixed. Now people can do the professions they want. # somechanges This will also kill the Shaman rotation meta which is something we don’t need.

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This is an exceedingly awful solution to the problem. This still makes LWing pretty much mandatory and makes you have to play around them EVEN MORE.

Just leave them as is and make them not require Leatherworking to use. It is literally that easy.

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A). I don’t want Classic to EVER be like Retail.
B). “I am glad I don’t live my life by the consensus of a crowd.” Are you serious? If you pay $15 a month to play a video game, and you (like many others) want a change that “makes sense” and fixes a HUGE issue/complaint from Original TBC, why shouldn’t Blizzard listen to their players? The reason Retail is so awful is because Blizzard didn’t listen to player feedback for so many years (including Shadowlands).
C). “It does not conform to your play style or min-max goals.” I’m not a min-maxer and I’m 100% sure most of the community would prefer NOT to feel obligated to get LW for drums due to how powerful they are (hence lessening their enjoyment and experience of the game).
D). “If you need a buff from drums to play your class, the issue is obviously you.” Ok, so if 99.99% of the community is saying that this drums “change” is bad, are all players of WoW bad? You should probably work for Blizzard because you clearly think that community feedback is pointless, too.

99.99% of the community is saying that this drums “change” is bad

Wrong!!! A lot of people in the community have no issue with “Drums”. You just want to complain about a mechanic in the game “that existed” in the original TBC. All the players in original TBC made it through; however, you feel that your gaming experience will be negatively impacted due to drums. Get over yourself. Watching you nerd rage over a mechanic that existed in the original TBC is so funny.

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That could definitely work as well.

And a mechanic that was proven to be wrong and degenerate, which is why it only existed briefly in original TBC.

Seal of Blood for the Alliance didn’t exist in original TBC but now it will in TBCC due to the crying of many to change it. One win for the raging nerd crowd, now you want to change something else. If drums will be changed than JC and Enchanting should be changed as well, let’s not stop at drums.

Most players in TBC didn’t raid past Kara. It was patched out by WotLK for reasons very well known.

I personally find being entertained by other’s complaints appalling. I pity you, bro.

Stand up to what you believe in but make sure you aren’t doing it to spite others.

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TBH if it makes the game better yes it should be changed. Seal of Blood for Alliance is a good change, because the perception/meta chasers would say Alliance is bad for paladins, which is wrong and incorrect and detrimental to the game.

From day one the approach should have been if it was a design mistake and keeps the feel of the game, it should be done. Because that’s what people want, even if they won’t admit it: The feel of the era, not an exact copy.