Why greater drums? just add tinnitus

Tinnitus would be a balance change which I think they’re trying to avoid when coupled with unnerfed bosses. The datamined change is probably a raid-wide form of drums, to keep the balance in tact while also reducing the number of required Leatherworkers.

Also hi Kaivax.


The mount was datamined as existing… There was nothing from the data mine that suggested it would be a store item, that was purely the community. The drum data mine contains actual data on the effect.

And there we go… confirmed… the meta still exists, blizzard didn’t do what they promised!

Now I get to say it… I told you so!


Check and mate

Ok so someone give me a TLDR here, why do “better drums” solve the issue of raids feeling the need to stack LWs


they are giving us crappy drums to start and then giving us good drums… either way, drum meta is alive and well contrary to the blizzcon promise.


You do! And I am not upset at all. We have what we all wanted and needed.

My point is this. Datamined, or reddit posts or anything simply can’t be enough to make sweeping posts about things being fact. That is and was my point.

We now have Kaivax adding to the conversation and it can become far more productive.

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Well that sucks. The drum meta is even worse than the engi meta.

Was hoping to not be shunned for wanting to be herb/alch but i suppose LW it is


I still say if you are in a guild that MAKES you do that then it might be time to find one that fits a better mindset.


If they are only in the 2nd to last content phase, seems like almost no reason to have them, literally only use for Sunwell?

the only productivity appropriate is absolute outrage they would go back on their word and stoke a meta this toxic… Again, questing in negrand is done, feral pre-bis is done, having a second profession is done… We will all have to be leatherworkers to compete regardless of other profession bonuses you may like to have. Worst change ever.


This really doesn’t fix the core issues with drums that you addressed during your round table. This still makes them mandatory for your dps. Please simply look into making these NOT REQUIRE LEATHERWORKING for use. That one change solves the entire issue of lw feeling mandatory. Maybe even provide leather workers with a set that has more charges as well that does require it just to make them feel more invested in their profession.


So how does this make drums not mandatory or was the idea to make it mandatory but not have leather working?


Nope. Abandoning my friends over something as stupid as professions doesnt make sense to me. I think its a bad move but it is what it is. Just got excited when they said they were going to address it and now am finding out they arent

Time to start leveling LW


oh the community will find a way to use the weaker version before that…

Everyone wants to be the best and peer pressure will ensure LW and drums is the way to do it.


This is absolutely the wrong take. Leatherworking is still mandatory with this change. Put in the debuff.


i get where youre coming from, but just go the tinnitus/raid wide buff route. right now this “fix” wont stop everyone from being leatherworker for the drums.


And the raging begins again…ROFL


So you want drums to be mandatory anyway, and the nonsense you said about them not being mandatory, was a lie.

This will 100% still have leatherworking be mandatory for top guilds, they just stack for the effect.

If you can still roll them, back to back to back and have 100% uptime, then the change you implemented is pointless.

Edit: solututions
There are only 3 viable solutions

  1. Remove the cooldown so 1 person can keep up the buff per group, 5/25 players with LW.

  2. Have the buff raid wide so 4 people per raid can have it rolling, 4/25 players have LW.

  3. Add tinnitus so that it nerfs them and you can only use them as a short cooldown, 5/25 players have LW.

The proposed change you are implementing still has 20/25 players Leather Working.


Guess I’m rolling LWing, that sucks.


This…Doesnt change anything.

People started using drums because they HAD to to clear content at the time. Until then it was not necessary so they didnt bother.

This solves almost nothing, just makes raids more of a pain since now we have to coordinate stacking in groups.