It was great. Our party (2 rogues, 1 warrior, 1 enhancement shaman and 1 BM hunter) had a lot of fun with the drums.
I understand perfectly.
People have some sort of anxiety that they feel it is mandatory to have LW for drums because it is good, so they are asking to remove the goodness of the drums so they don’t need to pick LW.
Which could simply be resolved by the person simply not picking up LW.
People don’t want to make choices. They want others to make choices for them.
edit: let me add here.
People also don’t want to be judged by the choices they make (not picking LW for Drums).
I remain hopeful that this isn’t the promised fix, and is instead a measure toward simulating patch progression, with the actual fix to be implemented in a later build of the beta.
However if this is intended to be the fix, then it is no fix at all. All this has done is make drums more cumbersome to use. Unless there are further restrictions put on the drums, e.g. tinnitus, or the drums are unrestricted altogether, e.g. removing the requirement to be a leatherworker to use them, the drum centric meta will remain unchanged and every performance minded raider will have one of their professions locked into leatherworking and pressure others into doing the same.
Nor should they be. But the community will judge them, therefore there needs to be a heavy handed fix since the community won’t fix itself. If people won’t solve their own problems, you need to solve it for them. This community has shown time and time again they will not police themselves and not let this infect the community in the first place, so since they can’t be trusted the only recourse is to have Blizzard fix the root cause.
This works until the social pressure of the guild your in starts to press on you to get the thing in order to make it easier for everyone else. On top of that it makes the game easier Fights dont last as long so less people die and you complete your raid faster. It was the same reason even mid tier guilds started to get Buffs. To make things easier and go faster. While its not as much power the idea is the same.
the concern is that Blizzard specifically said they wanted to change that meta so that everybody didn’t have to feel like they needed leatherworking. This ‘solution’ does absolutely nothing to change that.
The problem isn’t that we should feel the need to get it. The problem is that Blizzard for some reason thinks this solves the issue, which leads to me, and others by the look of it, to believe that the current team is inept.
Even non performance-minded raiders will pick up on it due to peer pressure, streamers, forums, and so on parroting it as the only way to do anything. So that argument breaks down because this community sucks and are a bunch of lemmings.
lol are you trolling? It shouldn’t matter if a player wants to value performance or not. The fact that a specific profession can give such a headache in the community is extremely telling that it just needs to be changed for the greater good. Also telling someone not to be a certain kind of player is just toxic. It’s like if I were to tell someone to stop being a casual… LMAO. What a dumb comment.
Lol, no it’s not. Not everyone has fun being a metaslave, that’s the retail mentality. If it makes tbc less fun that’s probably because tbc isn’t the game for you.
If you don’t want to be judged by the others, don’t put yourself in a position to be judged in the first place (like asking something you don’t want to use to be nerfed because you don’t want feel that you have to use it).
You don’t need drums to succeed in TBC. It is not even 1% of what World Buffs were.
We lived almost 3 years with world buffs as they were and people are concerned with Drums for absolutely no reason.
Believe me: if “drums” is what will make things easier for your raid then you absolutely have a problem in your raid.
Furthermore, 40 man raids are gone. You can find yourself in a casual guild that won’t make you use drums. But again, if you want to be in a top performer guild that will ask that, then the problem is that you want it both ways.
Drums are not relevant to be meta. I’m sorry. You don’t have to go LW just for Drums as they were in 2.3 patch.
There is no Drums problem.
There is an overreaction from the community around what they think Drums really were.
We didn’t pressure our friends back in 2008 and for sure we won’t pressure them again this year to pick LW for drums.
And thanks for pointing out that the problem isn’t LW and Drums, but rather people parroting it around not the only way to do anything, but like it has to be nerfed because otherwise you won’t have a choice.
You always have a choice.
Drums are not like World Buffs were. I don’t think at all they should change Drums right now and people should start working their emotional intelligence and their inner will to say no to things that they don’t want to do, instead asking Blizzard to nerf something they don’t want to use in the first place.
Classic BC isn’t what original BC was and it never will be, changes or no changes from Blizzard, the community is significantly more toxic. The same way #nochanges Classic Vanilla wasn’t the same as Vanilla.
You will be told to go LWing and if you don’t, you’ll be benched or forced to pug. The same thing happened in Classic with World Buffs, the same thing will happen with Drums.
Just like world buffs huh? Which were pressured regardless. Yes, it is absolutely a people/community problem… But since people won’t learn to NOT do that, the only recourse is to stop them from being able to do it in the first place.
They don’t, they just now force you to stack closer until Phase 5 and then go back to normal in Phase 5/6 (At a higher price per drum now). They’re still going to be completely mandatory for any progression guild because a 100% uptime mini-Bloodlust is never going to be a give-or-take option.
Yes I agree it is a community problem - and like you are saying what we are trying to get Blizzard to understand is changing a communities’ behaviour is significantly harder than changing a simple game mechanic to prevent the toxicity in the first place.
The only way Blizzard can stop the toxicity is to make changes though. Because we know they’re not going to sacrifice money by throwing out bans for people being toxic.
