she’s in bed with the alliance too! shandris feathermoon is a prime suspect for stealing my credit card after i had a heart to heart with lillian voss about how the scarlet crusade aren’t the bad guys we think they are
Writers: “Here’s some Horde characters that aren’t all evil.”
Horde Players: “I DON’T LIKE THEM! THEY’RE TOO SOFT! THEY MIGHT AS WELL BE ALLIANCE!”
Writers: “Ok, fine, here’s another dark and edgy character.”
But the problem with evil characters are, nobody likes a villain that just refuses to die. People get tired of those kinds of villains. So, they eventually kill the character off.
So what are you left with? Just a handful of almost but not quite evil characters, and a few soft characters, and… that’s about it.
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If you don’t understand what people don’t like about Calia, thats on you.
People asking for Voss, or Belmont, or literally anyone else to take the reigns weren’t (usually) asking for them to be bloodthirsty edgelord morons.
Saurfang, Cairne, and Thrall were beloved and all 3 were chill and wanted peace. Many, myself included, were pissed Saurfang got roped into a story where he was involved in war crimes and damned more than actual warmonger characters given his WOTLK characterization.
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Saurfang, yes.
Cairne? Eh. I don’t know if I’d say “beloved”. Heck, when he was alive, I hardly heard anybody ever talk about him. When he died, some people were like “oh that’s sad… oh well whatever” and they moved on. It wasn’t until Baine started sitting on the floor in the corner of Oribos that people were like “I wish we had Cairne back”.
Thrall? Definitely not ‘beloved’ … most of the time I saw people complaining about him being “green messiah” or something.
Green jesus complaints mostly came from the blue side of the aisle because they had to occasionally see him in Cata questing. The only other complaints I’ve seen in any number were because he was treated like a cat that couldn’t decide if he was out or in (regarding the horde or being a shaman in general)
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I myself had no complaints about him, more his wife yelling “GO’EL!!!” every 5 seconds at the start of Cata…
But I remember people calling Thrall “soft” (especially when Garrosh was put on the seat). “Garrosh is the warchief we shoulda had all along! Thrall was too soft! Thrall was basically Alliance in green skin!”
What was particularly amusing is how they were going on about how Garrosh was so awesome… look how well THAT turned out, mmm?
I remember those complaints.
So again, the Horde players apparently control the writers but also their characters keep getting killed off despite not wanting to.
Doesn’t make sense.
A character can be dark and edgy without being a villain.
Only if the writers are any good…
Which, to be quite honest, hadn’t been the case for a couple expansions at least.
Even than, it still comes off as super cringey the majority of the time. There’s a reason those kind of characters are usually ridiculed and mocked when they show up
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Horde players wanna sound like they’re all “hardcore” but they can’t really define what makes a character “hardcore” like them.
If they have feelings and empathy, they’re too soft.
If they want anything other than to murder tons of alliance, they’re too soft.
If they even THINK about wanting to be friends with alliance, they’re just alliance wearing red.
It’s like… most of the checkboxes for what these people wanted would make a character actually evil.
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It is a common complaint I’ve seen. I think the problem is that there’s so many different versions of the horde that people enjoy, that fans of each version of the horde end up arguing which version is the correct horde.
Whereas the alliance really hasn’t changed all that much since its inception. Outside of loosing some of its morally grey edge that is. But they always largely remained the Good Guys.
The Alliance were always the Good Guys, and when you talk about the Horde, they go “THE HORDE AIN’T EVIL!” even though most of the evil committed by faction NPCs in the game, is predominantly done by Horde.
A few notable exceptions by the Alliance, but most of them are in response to things the Horde did.
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I mean, Thrall certainly wasn’t perfect.
There’s an argument to be made that he absolutely was too much of a pushover as warchief since his actions to promote peace utterly failed to materialize any gains the second he had to leave the position. Leaving no defenses on the Theramore border out of trust with Jaina backfired when she abused said trust.
There’s a lot of Cata/MoP era quests that touch on the idea that orcs, and explicitly young orcs had legit grievances with the Alliance, and rolling over when Varian decides to randomly invade or the Kul Tirans start crap just fostered hatred when the other side never reciprocated the efforts for peace. MoP was from a time when the devs actually could occasionally write nuance.
But Garrosh was not the answer by any means, even the less bad Cata version threw away the potential of a peaceful resolution in lieu of grandstanding when he was accused of murdering druids.
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But yet, quite a few Horde players worshipped Garrosh and I still see the occasional person bemoaning that he’s gone, wishing they’d bring back someone of the like.
Or how many Sylvanas boot-lickers are there still around?
Between Garrosh and Sylvanas, I’ve lost most interest in playing my Horde characters. Like, I’ll play them, but I never do stuff in earlier expansions anymore.
Are you sure it wasn’t actually Valeera in disguise? Sounds like something she’d do… has anyone actually seen her lately?
I certainly remember how many horde folks cheered on the burning of Teldrassil at the blizzcon it was a thing; mostly because it annoyed me they were cheering for the destruction of my childhood nostalgia.
I’ve always felt there was a strong undercurrent among the fanbase who wanted the WC2 blood and thunder heavy metal horde rather than Thrall’s horde.
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going out on a limb, but even the horde players have at least heard of Flynn. The alliance characters and story were much more entertaining in BFA. Aside from Bwonsandi who was epic and I definitely enjoyed his interactions with the zandalari leaders.
I saw a lot of people like Garrosh in Cata, when he and Varian were basically palette swaps of the other, and Garrosh was looking to have an honorable side looking at Stonetalon.
That died down quickly when Garrosh became Garrosh.
Man, I remember watching that thinking “oh god this is going to be a trainwreck”, but even then they baited me with the idea that it wasn’t straightforward and/or UC was destroyed first.
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Disagree. Doing it well takes good writers. Doing it at all is very easy.
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They are not neutral, Andiun even introduces himself as king of stromwind in one of the zones. Horde players are just forces to quest under them in no shape or form are they neutral.
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