You get some gold, you buy some gear you want, it’s a win win for everyone.
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Feels bad topping damage and interrupt meters, and throwing out the most heals of all the non-healers in the party, only to lose an extremely important upgrade to the guy that bought some gold earlier who’s barely even at the keyboard the whole raid and has managed to somehow die on the tank and spank boss
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Would it really be much different than them winning based off the /roll system most pugs use.
You signed up for a gdkp so you know how its going to work. You can just… not go to gdkp.
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Because I’ve seen people throw out a combined total of 50k-70k gold that I know they didn’t farm up themselves.
If there wasn’t RMT maybe it wouldn’t be so bad. Even if you get in a bidding war against someone and don’t get the item, you got gold out of someone else’s pocket and into your own on top of 1 less person going after the item you want.
If your guild on the other hand only runs GDKP system, that’s a bit shady. You shouldn’t have to buy items from your guild to help the guild.
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Admittedly the last time I raided before personal loot was introduced was Wrath, and I was always in a group that master looted and gave the gear to the people that needed it most. Even on the occasion I was in a /roll group, the people were understanding enough to give gear to people if it was a massive upgrade
I’m just speaking as an outsider looking in. I, personally, have done no raiding in Classic, as my mage is only level 27 and stuck there because my friend gets mad if I progress without him. So, looking over the fence, the only raids I see are GDKP. There is no other choice
GDKP is great. I wanted just one drop that I never got, instead I got so much gold.
Still plenty of regular pugs, they’re just usually set up on discord.
I hate joining random discords. Weird social anxiety. Yes I know it’s the internet. No it does not make sense, if it did I’d know how to get over it
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Make a political joke.
Watch the world start burning 
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Difference between /roll, loot council, soft res, DKP, and GDKP?
Every single one of the old methods comes prepared and geared, and should know the boss encounters (we’re going to happily disregard the unprepared hot mess pugs).
No one buys gold and then AFKs on a level 55 while everyone else busts their butts.
GDKP on paper is fine. Bidding with your own farmed gold is fine. But we all know that is never the case.
A whale comes in and cleans house, then that cut goes back into players’ pockets. People are finding GDKP cut payout to be lucrative and thus worsening the problem.
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You have proof of that?
No, you don’t have.
So stop with this.
I don’t like it because it allows players to pay people (often with bought gold) to get carried for free loot, without having to do what most people have to do, join a guild, be sociable, contribute to the community, and learn how to play the game competently and carry their own weight in order to earn and keep a raid slot.
I also don’t like it because it provides a large market and incentive for gold buyers, which in turn greatly increases the number of bots, which inflates the economy.
On some servers, it’s reportedly gotten so bad that players have no choice but to prostitute themselves out to GDKP runs in order to earn enough gold to pay for their weekly raid consumables, because farming anything valuable in the open world is not doable because it’s overrun with bots. Bots that are probably there in such numbers because of the GDKP runs themselves.
It’s a vicious cycle, and it all plays into and is a vital cog in the gold buying/selling business, which runs contrary to the spirit of the game and the original designers’ intent.
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You have proof that they don’t?
I know you like to argue with fenceposts in the forums so I already know the reply, but I’ll wait.
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The burden of proof is on you, because you are making the claim that people are buying illigitimate gold.
ms>os you lose via a roll in those, but you dont get the benefit of getting the gold at the end.
Just my take on it
the prevalence of farming bots and massive inflation of gold value vs how it was 15 years ago isn’t proof enough?
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People have always bought gold, just for different reasons. was one of the reasons that the token was introduced, and why I wish they would introduce it into classic to take some wind out of the botters sails
There is more evidence that they do than they don’t.
To think the system is pristine and pure is a pipedream and one of the main advertisements in GDKPs are “LF AFK Buyers” and “LF Big buyers”.
A common complaint is someone (usually dead space) comes in and cleans house, those actually trying to get gear get nothing.
You make it sound like every piece of gear goes for 20k gold. lol
I’ve gone into a bwl on my hunter and have come away with 5/8 t2 for under 1k gold.
It just all depends on who comes to the GDKP. You make it sound like gear is completely inaccessible, when in reality it’s just your own bias and incompetence keeping you from buying cheap gear.
Redirecting to a personal attack doesn’t really follow the topic of the argument.
A shame you make assumptions on my own experiences when I never even shared the personal results of times I went to GDKPs.
Nor does it refute the fact that it encourages RMT.
RMT is the problem, not GDKP, to continue to defend gold buying raises more questions.
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