Probably because under WoW’s new system players lack anything to make them truly “unique” of their own design and thus players desperately grasp at any straw which would personally set them apart.
if you farmed hard for something it always feels weird when a new-friend comes in and dosnt have to do it.
it’s human nature 
“i had to do it so why wouldn’t you?!”
then there also the
“you werent there so why would you get it?”
/shrug
You’ve confused exclusion with wanting to play with similarly skilled players.
Do you just invite random people on the street you’ve never met into your home to hang out? Why are you being so exclusive?
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Why do people always try to turn a game into real life.
Are you guys really that attached to the game? That you feel it’s real life? That it somehow actually compares.
So no, you don’t just invite random people into your home? Sounds awfully exclusive of you.
You don’t do that for safety reasons. A party leader doesn’t want their group to fail, and when they’re looking at 20 apps they know nothing about, they’re going to use whatever is available at hand to give them more information and make the safest choice.
So then I take it as a yes, you do view the game as real life.
I Don’t know what to say to that.
So you can’t actually defend your stance that being selective when building a party is being exclusive, so you’ve erected a strawman.
Well done.
Oh funny, man builds strawman, gets called on it. So says
No U.
Repeat after me, video games are not life. I will not compare life to video games. Drawing lines from video games to life, is building a strawman.
Gearscore was a response to frustrations with pug groups pushing harder content. It had nothing to do with LFD. LFD content is low enough where no one cares/cared.
LFR is frustrating because people don’t take it seriously, which causes wipes even though it’s definitively the easiest version of raiding. “Remove LFR” isn’t nearly as popular of an idea as you think it is, it’s just easy to get bites using that topic.
Titanforging was always bad for the game and has nothing to do with being inclusive, as it affected almost all players in the exact same way.
That “way” being… blurring the lines between difficulties and tiers resulting in gear progression being a mess of farming for bonus extras instead of being satisfied with the base drops, because you already had months of bonus extras from the previous tier or difficulty making the current base drops useless.
It’s totally unnecessary and harmful. I will say that standard WARforging was fine though. 5-10 ilvl at most. Nothing more. Puts it more in line with a bonus socket roll and doesn’t go high enough to prevent the next tier or difficulty from being straight upgrades.
The Proving Grounds requirement was WoD-specific and ONLY applied to Heroic dungeon queues. Nothing else. It was totally irrelevant, and the players affected by it or its removal are NOT the players affected by something like Raider IO. I promise you no one who couldn’t do Silver Proving Grounds to queue for Heroic Dungeons is complaining about not being accepted to Mythic+ Groups.
Master Loot never should have been removed. It was always a choice. My Raid actively chose to use personal loot from day 1 because we had loot drama in the past and wanted to avoid it.
But enforcing it was stupid. If people don’t like Master Loot, they didn’t have to join Master Loot groups / guilds. I was even against the 80% Guild Group requirement to use Master Loot. I raided in my group from Firelands thru Crucible of Storms, and we were not once a Guild Group, but it was still the same people every week. I didn’t like the idea that we were somehow seen as “less legitimate” because we didn’t force people to leave their existing guilds to raid with us.
Raider IO itself is a direct response to Mythic+, where ilvl eventually stops being the main factor determining success. Doing +2 thru +9? Yeah, ilvl is probably good enough in many cases. Pushing +15? Let alone higher? Everyone is already the same ilvl anyway, and as such is no longer a relevant measuring stick. Hence Raider IO to prove experience.
Because it is human nature to want to be better than other people.
I hear this argument a lot from people “Just let players play how they want”. It is parroted over and over again, yet as soon as people want to play hyper competitively, it becomes an issue. Its hypocritical, you want to be able to play casually and you dislike when competitive players affect the way you play the game, fair enough. But competitive players want to play competitively and they dislike when casual players affect the way they play. And that is the reason for exclusivity right there, if the top of the top stays exclusive, they don’t have to carry or deal with casual players and casual players don’t have to deal with them.
“But I don’t get invited to M10 because i have low IO”, well then you are going to have to grind out 5s then 7s, then 8s, until you have a decent IO because that is the step you have to take to stop being a casual and start being somewhat competitive. Its not a perfect system but it works well enough.
This.
OP has been posting nonstop for days talking about how awesome it is that people will be prevented from doing storylines, fun content, and so on based on covenant gatekeeping.
Now he’s all boo hoo why do people want others to be excluded from content.
Two-faced hypocrisy.
Explain how this is exclusive? You can change your covenants. You are not blocked from changing them. Literally nobody is saying stop you can’t do that. There is no addons being made to make it more difficult for you. All it takes is some questing or grinding. Likely only a hour of work if that tops.
With a huge grind.
Do you like huge grinds? I don’t. People in General Discussion don’t, either.
So you have to do something you don’t want to do, to get access to something you do want? and this is a issue, and you call me the hypocrite?
Pot meet kettle.
I just want peple, once shadowlands comes out, and they’re faced with being shut out of content, and huge grinds to be able to do what they want, I want them to remember the people who were cheerleading it.
People like you.
Have they even put the switching process in beta yet? Do you know how bad it is? Or are we just working on assumption here. I know your in beta so you would know. But if it’s not in beta then you don’t.
I am always sad to see this trotted out. It is usually accompanied by the “not real friends” mantra. As if, because some are more fully engaged in their hobby, and that hobby occurs virtually with an element of fantasy, it is not given the same space that golf, scuba diving, basketball are allowed.
Were you outraged when there were golf magazines? How insane it was that every Sunday (or more!) a guy would disappear for the day to engage in a sport that he’d never get paid for. And if you think that just everyone could come along, well, if they were into their hobby, nope. They only wanted players on their level in their cart. Unless they were a filthy casual. That was usually the “Flinstone’s” cart, and by gosh they were played through. They also had the best spot in the club when they returned from the green.
It’s almost as if WoW is a hobby and the demographic plays out just like it does in… oh, right, “real” life.
Part of the reason the Internet is such a mess is because of the ignorance that wants to make it “other”, instead of integrating it and incorporating it into societal norms. Couple that with ongoing cultural issues surrounding play, and you get the train wreck that we have today.
If you are breathing during the activity and cognizant - good news, it’s really happening in your life! What you make of that time is up to you. You can use it purely as an escape as you would playing angry-birds in the subway, or you can push yourself and grow as you engage in your hobby.
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The person you’re replying to has said in the past that he doesn’t even play, he just came back to troll the forums because he’s stuck at home due to covid.
Currently don’t play, as I don’t play this patch. Nice strawman.
This also doesn’t make me a troll. Look up the meaning of a troll or stop using the word.
Because exclusivity makes participation worthwhile. Nothing is cool or valuable when everyone gets it.