Did people just forget about the whole Xe’ra thing in Legion pointing towards the idea that the whole Light and Order deal not being entirely trustworthy, or how in Wrath Algalon tried to nuke the whole planet to prevent corruption (something he’s done numerous times before), and the entire point of that plotline was that he was wrong to do that?
The idea that the forces we often views as benevolent might actually not be is not at all new to the setting, don’t pretend otherwise.
I seems like it sometimes, but Blizz has a long history of that sort of thing, so it’s hard to be sure.
Adding to my previous comment: I hate that they’ve changed the whole cosmology to “every group is a force and every force is now extreme”. It’s so bad, so utterly bad.
Naaru originally: “We heal and protect the downtrodden and try to protect those being overwhelmed by the forces of chaos and Fel”
Naaru now: “OUR WILL SHALL BE ENFORCED UPON YOU BECAUSE LIGHT IS BAD NOW MUHAHAHAHAHA”
They don’t have to be entirely benevolent to not be paper-thin one-sided characters who just believe in *EXTREME FORCE OF ORDER/DISORDER/LIGHT"
The Light was a force that could be good or bad, but the Naaru were much more benevolent and protective of the downtrodden and whatnot in earlier WoW expansions. Then Danuser writing warped everything.
Edit: I still firmly stand by the fact that what they did to Yrel was an abomination of lore.
Let’s be honest . The writers have a chart pasted to a dart board. They play a game whereby they draw straws to pick who’s turn it is, that person is blindfolded and spun around the same number of times as the current expansion number (so 9 right now). Then they throw darts hopefully at the dart board chart.
That’s how both patch ideas and lore are OFFICIALLY selected.
I think even that is giving Blizz too much credit. Fairly certain they bring in children from local elementary schools and let them play “writer for a day”
Saves on paying real writers.
this is really what happens in this relationship with the citizens of azeroth - they tried to purge all life via titanic machines, it did not work (thankfully), then the titans saw that they would need us to reach certain points, as well as their freedom and prevent sargeras from advancing in his plans (that is, imprisoning him, which was only possible because of the small citizens of azeroth, who did a service that the titans themselves could not).
in the end I’m team sargeras, just to make it clear.
the titans really should be thanking the citizens of azeroth a LOT, A LOT.
New information has come to our attention
As far back as Classic and the Uldaman / Uldum Questline we were informed that we had been ‘rescheduled for reorigination’. We were also told not to interfere with the process.
The Titans have always been this way, and my Warlock since Classic has been training for the day she knew that would have to fight them to ensure that they did not get to play god, and erase everyone she gave a crap about. Later lore during Wrath with Algalon, Cataclym and Uldum as well as the Mists of Pandaria story that involved the Black Harvest story merely confirm all of this. This is not new Lore. Blizzard does not ‘now’ hate Titans.
The fact is that the Titans never have been our friends, in the same way that the Old Gods have never been our friends. We are to them tools at best, and playthings at worst. But when we fight they will learn that some wolves still have a few teeth and will bare their fangs at ‘God’ to quote a song from Xenogears.
I’ll bet Azeroth is a First One or protoform, and the Titans goal is to corrupt her ‘into’ a Titan.
You sure about that?
Because everything bad that was happening on Azeroth was because of the Old Gods, except it was actually Sargeras in control of everything, but it was actually the Dredlords telling him what to do, except it was Zovall being the grand puppet master, and he is a Space Robot, and the Titans are also most likely Space Robots built in Zereth Mortis by not the First ones, but the group of Firster ones that came before. What’s really sad is that Im not making any of that up. In the next Expacs it’s going to be revealed that everything was actually going be all because of Voidlords (likely).
(Speculation) So in the expac after that it’s going to be all because of a mad Gnome living in a Cave in Thousand Needles named Phil who drank some river water from the emerald dream put there by a different set of space robots built by the Naga working for the Rand Corporation in conjunction with zombie vampires operating out of the dwarven district in Stormwind. Why not, it’s about the same kind of dribble as what’s been written so far.
I knew it. Every evil in Azeroth can be traced to one source.
Sand Gnomes.
Zereth Ordus, actually, but keep going, you’re still on point.
Everything is because some nerds with too much free time and more power than they should’ve had established a system in which they plopped down a bunch of cool idea’s and then provided no oversight or regulations to keep that system working as intended.
WoW’s writers now exist in a perpetual state of doublethink when it comes to their ideas of good and evil. Everything has to be morally grey, but then we hopped over to Shadowlands and learned that there is a universal concept of “sin” throughout the cosmos. And even in the Shadowlands you have people running around scheming in morally grey ways.
I fear having Illidan around somehow warped everyone’s perception of reality.
Hey don’t forget that SL also taught us that Necromancy and being raised by the light are the exact same thing, which basically means what the LK did raising the Dead into a Zombie Horde, is the exact same thing that Anduin did when he used the light to raise the fallen Alliance Soldiers in the Battle of Undercity in the BFA cenematic. So I guess that raising Calia was also the exact same thing except she became a different kind of person raised by the light / Necromancy, but is still special somehow.
Probably, since Blizzard hasn’t touched on that at all 
It could have been an amazing setup, especially given Turalyon’s reaction. My only gripe with that scene is that they didn’t play Blinded by the Light in the background
I always felt like they tried to distinguish the two by making “resurrect” spells feel like getting a soul back in there before it moved on, while necromancy was forcing it back in after it moved on. But, now that moving on means going to the Shadowlands, I don’t know how one gets pulled back from there, so who knows how it works.
Timing I guess? Resurrection always seemed like it had to be done relatively quickly after death. But Calia was…real dead?..before she was brought back. So, I guess any of the forces are capable of that now, and it’s all necromancy.
Who knows.
The titans do not care about us…at all. They helped us in legion because we were helping them, but if we were to act counter to their goals, they would swat us aside without a second thought.
Really? They ordered life on the planet. Tons of races are direct descendants of their creations. They seem pretty invested in things. Although, they do have reset buttons if things go south. Doesn’t mean they don’t care though.
Postmodern thinking maintains that everything is shades of grey, and nothing is absolute, which is an ironically absolutist viewpoint.