Why do you hate Voidform? #removevoidform

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I’d rather it be an option that is not used then not allowed to do it at all.

Player choice / agency.
That is what I want returned.

Heck, I don’t mind if you had a talent option or a glyph that turned your healing spells into a shadow school version but will just cost more or be less effective. I’m cool with that.

I will absolutely take any iteration on shadow priest pre Legion. Classic was fun but going oom was, well it was an issue. But I’d still take that knowing that if damage numbers are relatively equivalent for current game numbers, I could still deal out a mighty beating lol.

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omg yes please. that’s my main issue with voidform mechanic. Also how it relies on ramp up and haste to preform.

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Yup, I haven’t play spriest in so long. It’s my favorite spec, but as of now it’s my least.
I’ve mained warlocks, spriests, hunters, paladins
I’ve played every class.
I just dislike how they base every class around a new system
back in cata is was shadow orbs, holy charges, souls, & arcane charges
now it’s all build / spend
Like I feel like no matter what caster I play… it’s too much of resemblance

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Careful, its thoughts like those that lead to Legion Void Form / Insanity.
Blizzard thought Shadow Priests were too much like Affliction Warlocks.

I choose function over theme first.
Void Form was tried and failed and after 4 years the writing is on the wall.

I want Shadow to be a hybrid of Rot/Burst without a permanent pet spec.
Talents should push you between Rotting damage via DoTs or Burst or a mixture of both imo.

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I feel like they just give you mind spike / mind blast / to ramp up insanity
Then Use Touch, Pain, Plague, mind flays, mind sear, void bolts, void torrent, dark void, mind bender to stay in void form kinda like safe place version of shadow weaving without the side effects
Or just make us a nuke cannon void form
Mind spike, mind blast - arcane style mage play
To ramp up
Then in void form your mind spikes, mind blast turn into Void Spike, Void blast x2 charges
You could get use Void Spikes / Void blast / void bolt / void torrent / dark void - pull targets in within radius and explode, but without the dots

Then just allow us for those who want to play A/S shadow orb spec through talents

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On the note of interruptions, I want the ability to choose what magic school to get locked out. I should be able to choose if I want to bait an interruption with holy spells via healing in order to freely burst with shadow. Or bait a shadow school interruption to be able to freely cast healing. With shadowmend, you get locked out of both.

What’s stupid is that healing priests don’t have to make this choice. They get shadowmend too. Like, WHAT?!

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Shadow has a nice long list of issues.

Maybe you see why I don’t feel like playing it. It’s akin to bashing my head on the wall lol. Demon Hunters are much more fun lol.

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Ya, it’s b.s. seems like blizz doesn’t care in shadowlands at this point.
They could talk all they want how they’re listening for raiding, but the gameplay matters to. Looks like my priest is gonna be dead for while until they revert it to it’s original state.

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I don’t think that it’s wholesale that they don’t care. I think that they have a design philosophy for priest that they think works. And a lot of feedback is centered around people not liking that design philosphy. And their response is going to be much of what I said earlier, if you don’t like shadow right now, find a class you do like. That’s how they will treat this, because they have removed all the extensive investment required to get a character up and going.

I mean I came back to see Nyalotha and in 3-4 days I was level 120 with 443 ilvl. And I got my legendary cloak, and I started ranking it up. That’s no time at ALL where something like that in the past would have taken me months to achieve.

So Blizzard’s answer to people who don’t like the entirety of the design philosophy and want to just strip it all away is going to be reroll. And your desires will feel like they are falling on deaf ears.

I myself actually like the current look and feel of the class, what I don’t like is the inconsistent performance and the limitations imposed on us. I want those things fixed. And therefor I have tried to spend most of my feedback on addressing what I see as core gameplay issues that they need to keep in mind for the class.

Lack of mobility.
Lack of choice in talents.
Lack of M+ viability.
Constant rebalancing required.
Disparity between the geared and ungeared priests.
Feeling like every option is bad with VF in 5 mans.

To that end my propositions to them are:

Don’t add VB Rank 2 in.

Give us something for trash. Twins Painful Touch as a talent, or something. Right now the best aoe is VE which we get once…

Make the major required talents baseline, retool for that, make new/meaningful talents. Make a talent that changes how VF/insanity works maybe.

Take away some of the exponential scaling tied to VF. That’s why Shadow requires so many balance updates. Because we can scale so much better than everyone else.

No idea how to fix the gear disparity issue. Because that’s not unique to shadow.

Make insanity regen out of combat instead of draining out of combat. The biggest issue I have in 5 mans is that if things die too fast, I don’t want to use VF because then I won’t have it next pull. But if I don’t use it, I won’t have damage on this pull. This was the feedback I saw the most in Legion. And they never addressed it. If we could be able to use VF every pull and no worry about starting from zero every single time, it would actually make us feel a LOT better in 5 man content.

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In order for blizzard to meet all those wants/needs, they would basically have to redesign the entire spec (which I think requires more time rather then revert it to something that DOES meet those requirements already in the past and BUILD onto that from there). Your suggestions STILL don’t take into consideration the rest of the game such as PvP.

Is shadow supposed to just pretend PvP is not a thing and have Warmode forever turned off and never bother opening up the honor tab and queuing up for Arena/Battlegrounds?

The Spec is absolutely atrocious in PvP. This cant be fixed with simple tweaks per your suggestions. This requires either a complete redesign OR a revert as far back as WoD.

Because (and this is a key issue / pain point) if by some miricle they “fix” the class in all areas of the game by just tweaking a few things here and there like you suggested, there is a HIGH chance those tweaks will make it a FOTM class as they would then be seen as absurdly broken on the other end by seeming way to OP and then blizzard will be forced to revert the changes and smash the class down to nothing. As happened back in Legion and more recently from the effects of Eternal Palace scaling. Its this up and down BS that will keep happening if Void Form stays with its current identity of a non ceiling scaling issue. Once again, remove that and Void Form looses its identity and becomes a worse version then Shadow Form pre Legion, congratulations you keep Void Form only that everything will be worse now and worse then it was pre Legion.

Not fun.

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Loved it at first and didn’t believe void form was the problem around this spec’s design. Now, over time and after multiple patches and fixes, I absolutely believe it to be the core of the problem with the spec.

The “revisit” of the spec for SL is a missed opportunity at best. From a business perspective it’s unlikely they will roll it back to a prior iteration, but they really should consider it in this case because a few adjustments here and there will only prolong the problems.

Shame really, because the concept of this battle between light and darkness for the class is a truly inspired version of the trope.

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We’re never going to agree that void orbs are the best point for shadow, because in my opinion it wasn’t, or that reverting the changes back to a previous iteration is going to fix any of this. And that’s mostly down to our differing viewpoints. You are PVP focused on this mostly and I am PVE, and historically those two ideas have never meshed, and more recently those two things have intentionally been separated.

Additionally reverting back to an era that “worked” in your mind still doesn’t address the core functionality of the class either. It’s more like, you have a personal point in the game’s history you prefer, and would rather go back to that. That’s never been a thing they have ever done, not once for any class that felt that way. I’d love TBC shadow back, but it’s not going to come back in retail, nor would it be very good if it did.

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I may have a slight towards PvP minded content, this is true and I am not hiding that but that also doesn’t matter because my argument is focused on the functionally of the spec in all situations, not just PVP. You are the one that sees it function a bid just barely in Raid settings and because of this you think there is hope in other areas which are just too vastly different to make work while keeping its identity intact.

However, if you have spent any time at all looking at everyone’s else concerns be it here in this priest Forum, the EU Priest Forum, comment section on Alpha Shadow Priest vids on you tube, heck comment section on Legion shadow priest vids. Everywhere you look, people want WoD mechanics back. This is no accident or mistake. There is genuine reason why WoD priest is the popular go to vote as it has a core working base and in that period, Shadow worked in all content. It may need tweaking a bit to make sure it will be competitive in Mythic+ and in Torghast but Void Form needs to be fixed to work in EVERYTHING even in raids.

Void Form doesn’t work, WoD does. It’s your issue that you cant see that. It is not mine because out of the general majority of the priest community, I can assure you by far in large the stance is that the Void Form mechanic in every right mechanically does not function and has many more problems that are extremely difficult if not impossible to fix compared to the time it would require to see a return to WoD and make adjustments from there.

You have every right to disagree with me and others, but the case has been made. It’s up to blizzard to fix the spec and thereby result in Void Form’s current identity being tossed or see the priest player base collapse further still and get more outcry and frustration and the next go around they will mention it was a mistake NOT to fix it for shadowlands.

If that’s the sword I will die on then so be it, it will happen, if not for SL then the next.

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Until they fix it I’m playing mage, warlock, hunter.
And they’ll probably fix it when I’m no longer playing due to it taking so long.
I’ve already waited since WoD to dust off my spriest and getting sick of blizz’s BS insisting voidform is the go to for shadowlands

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I think the only way i see voidform working is if they remove ramp up, make drain a fixed rate, and increase the buff you get from voidform and make it so once you enter voidform you get the buff up front rather then ramp up your buff.

this will make it so its less punishing if you lose voidform due to fight mechanic and make the emphasis around staying in voidform for the buff rather then staying in vodiform for the ramp up.

also it will bring back some of the haste you ramp up into the base spec which will make it play smoother.

I think the biggest issue with the mechanic is the ramp up. once they remove it they can rework it into something more tolerable.

they could add a talent to turn voidform to its normal state for people who enjoy it they way it is.

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Just as long as it stays at a fixed rate and doesn’t do something like start high and ramp down. Someone else suggested it could start high and slowly drop down. But that would cause you to have to math it out to know the exact time to drop form early just to get back in sooner and take advantage of the upfront buff again. Ugg lol forget that.

I think if you cast Mind Flay, it should “pause” the drain. Then your abilities that actually have a CD will grant a lot of insanity when used, like 1/3 - 1/2 bar.

If you activate Void Form, you should have at least 10 seconds of not casting anything before it drops out and this stays consistent throughout the entire duration of Void Form.

Adding those, it should prevent a premature drop if caught in a stun/silence/movement etc.

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yeah, My idea is a straight up front buff that is impactful. so you would want to be in voidform and to maintain it.

I actually thought that mindfly could actually slowly generate it also (for example if the drain is a fixed 5insanity per sec mindfly could generate 6or7 insanity per sec) this is so if you are caught in fight mechanic and your spells are on cd you could use it to slowly build up the bar but it will force you to be stationary.
I also thought they could add Devouring Plaque as a spender to add risk of losing your voidform which will make the gameplay a bit more interesting rather than simply pop vodifrom and maintain it.

i was actually thinking that the drain would be fixed at 5 insanity per sec. So if you pop voidform and just stand there you will have 20sec until it’s over.

My whole idea is you are able to maintain voidform the whole fight and once there is nothing to cast your spells on which would be after everything is dead you would drop out of it. but you wouldn’t have to rush tank to pull because all you need to do is build enough insanity to enter it and get your buff straight up.

also removing the haste element and building haste back into the base spec will make it so we are less dependant on gear and play way more smoother.

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Then it just becomes old Shadow Form but with more steps lol.

I mean its better then current Void form but might as well go back to static damage buff & damage mitigation at the cost of not able to apply direct heals (holy spells) unless we drop out.

So we back here again lol.

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well…I’m trying to work with what the devs are giving us and it’s not really much so… :sweat_smile:

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Showing support for #removevoidform

Numerous examples have already been provided on why it is awful.

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