I’ve very rarely experienced the toxic behavior people talk about. But I am not saying it doesn’t exist.
I just don’t see why people would have a negative view of it.
Opinions may have changed since then.
I agree, it was embarassing trying to explain to my wife that even though I had been in the game for 2 hours that I hadn’t actually been playing at all.
I can understand how people still in guilds dislike the system. All i can say to them I suppose is don’t use it.
Sad thing was that I didn’t really know what alt-tab was back then. I was young and ignorant. So when I sat there for hours looking for groups, I literally sat there for hours staring at my chat bar.
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I don’t hate the features. I hate the unnecessarily hateful people that infest them.
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After my resume embarassment I stopped trying to be productive and not-play-play at the same time.
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I seem to get more annoying and hateful people in Normal runs then LFR ones then.
One Normal run got me kicked off a guild once during WOD.
(I was a poor tank back then though and I have long since improved.)
Winces
I don’t really think anyone is truly jealous or worried about losing prestige to LFR heroes xD
Some of the hate is unjust no doubt from wannabe tryhards, sure.
Some of the ridicule… is kind of brought on by LFR only players themselves. Not to be mean, but standing in Armageddon on LFR KJ or moving out of the MC circles on LFR G’huun are NOT rocket science Lmfao. To have to have Blizz remove the MC mech on G’huun because LFR players were either afking-to-loot (it def happens and it sucks :/) or weren’t… trying not to be mean again I swear… bright enough (not sure what else to call it…) to understand what kept happening and dying to the same easily avoidable fate over and over again
…??! Thays pretty badumb no matter how you slice it.
There are good raiders in LFR (rare), there are completely terrible-is-your-monitor-even-plugged-in players and there are troll/afkers. It’s a baaaaad mix. Normal and above, lead can just instantly remove clueless/trolls/afkers/underperformers. They never make it passed the first boss. LFR kinda… makes behavior like that way more acceptable and therefore common.
LFR players also know determination stacks will eventually probably bail them out, so theres not really a sense of trying to do better to get a boss down.
Its also worth mentioning, it has hurt server communities in an entire genre where being social, responsible and working together is how you achieve end game goals. LFR requires none of that. It will occasionally require a few responsible “real” raiders to do the actual required mechs because no one talks, volunteers to help with mechs or generally knows the name of the extremely limited mechs that actually are present in LFR.
Then, you have the dumb LFR-only raiders who troll and stir up trouble like creating ML-is-gone celebration threads, despite never having interacted with it before. Well, if you do that then the real raiders are going to start demanding LFR changes/removal… and the cycle goes on and on…
I personally think LFR should require more effort, and determination stacks should be removed. Its fine for players to want to see the story, but I mean basically beating on a target dummy and Kil’Jaeden the exact same way def feels wrong… KJ is kind of a big deal in the story…
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I’d say the introduction of gearscore/ilvl really tilted the game towards LFR being necessary. The community prioritizes clean runs over actually providing meaningful upgrades for players. This is evident in the fact people will say you need 355+ gear for a raid that drops 355 ilvl pieces. Or in some cases “370s only” on a normal 355 run.
LFR is less about the ilvl but more about a guaranteed way to experience some of the content when the community would otherwise refuse you, whether you are skilled or not, simply because of your current ilvl.
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You don’t know their situation though. Some are AFKers, definitely, and those people suck to the highest degree. Others, though? Maybe they’re disabled in some way, or just don’t have the fastest reflexes. Maybe they are trying and just aren’t that great at avoiding mechanics.
I’m glad LFR/LFG exists because you people would definitely kick those types from your Normal+ raids.
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I don’t hate them.
I typically choose not to do LFR because I don’t like the (complete lack of) playstyle or behavior of the other people in it, but I’m adult enough to recognize that many, many people use LFR as their only means of experiencing the raids, and for them, I’m glad it’s there.
I think LFG is a necessity due to the population being spread too thin over too many servers. If it weren’t for LFG, on many servers players would go hours simply trying to put a dungeon group together.
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I mean… Or maybe they just dont care enough to learn how to do a fight properly, and expect to be carried by others? Perhaps they know, eventually, the boss will fall down so why bother learning?
To claim everyone in LFR groups who fail repeatedly to the same mechs time and time again and/or underperform must have a disability is pretty unrealistic. If they dont have the fastest reflexes, there are addons that tell you when ability timers are coming/about to happen. Not having fast reflexes isn’t a disability. DBM seems like something that’d be useful to them, no? Just because your reflexes arent “fast” doesnt mean the majority of fights (many which have very little differentiation in them between pulls) in LFR require lightning fast cat like reflexes. A much larger advantage is knowing what happens, when, and preparing yourself for it rather than banking on reacting when reaction time isnt your strong suit. That makes sense, right?
It helps in conversations if you aren’t an easily offended/butthurt crusader-for-the-underdog btw. You dont know me or what I’ve done at all. You don’t know all the people I’ve helped get +15 in time cheeve for legion, along with AotCs every tier so everyone can enjoy cool mounts and artifact apearances.
The kicker you’d never realize without me mentioning it? Those selective “elitist” groups I join for higher difficulty content that “are mean and gate casuals” allow it to be mathematically possible for me to help people by carrying them to an acheive, or help out with their key, or going into LFR with them and carrying tanking, healing or DPS. I’d try and see the complete picture before you sling accusations.
And, nothing I’ve said in my first post was even wrong, at all.
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Maybe some of them have zero clue what to do. Even if they had addons like DBM like they were told to, may have no idea what it means.
I see the people hate such features and those who use them have been around for a very long time.
Just got to remember we were all noobs once upon a time.
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Was this directed to me?
I feel like it was, but you hit reply to the wrong person? xD
If not, nbd.
Not anyone in particular.
Just a thought.
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Personally, I like LFD and LFR. It’s a great way to gear up alts and get them ready for running with guildies or other premade groups.
I do think they are kind of boring, though. But I understand it’s hard to have meaningful mechanics be little more than ignore/faceroll with a group strangers. But I do with Blizzard would instead focus on making them more fun, since making them more challenging yet feasible for a group full of strangers doesn’t really work.
This. Plus, once dungeon finder started up, people started being much ruder to each other in dungeons.
I don’t mind either. I don’t do LFR as it’s a waste of my time, but if others like it, more power to them. As far as LFD goes, I haven’t really run into too many problems.
Bring back the ability to earn faction reputation in dungeons. That would certainly help. Also reduce the amount of trash you have to deal with, but make the bosses more difficult to compensate. I’d rather spend most of the time trying to take down a boss than wading through an army of trash mobs.
I got something that might blow your mind. Every. Single. “Pro”. Player was once a casual nooblet scrub. Every. Single. One. Let that settle in for a while. Maybe lie down for a bit.