Why do YOU dislike BFA?

[Rosenoa-wyrmrest-accord]

I liked BfA, not as much as Legion but it not as bad as many say it is. That was until 8.2. I hated 8.2 but now I have flying, I “enjoy” what BfA gives.

Now the RnG and time gated is BAD but that carries over from Legion and others so can’t blame just BfA for that.

[Yuliah-daggerspine]

They want details. OK

I’ll start…

Too much RNG - One of the great aspects of wow used to be once they progressed the game towards the badge system which helped to counter bad rng/luck by allowing you to farm up for gear instead of running on the wheel and hoping a pellet would fall into your hands. It created goals to work towards. You know how many of X you needed to do in order to reach your goal. It made the worst parts of the grinding more bearable.

What we have now is that wheel for both pve’ers and pvp’ers with pve’ers having the luxury of breaking down azerite gear for badges. Pvp’ers are stuck hoping their chest doesn’t give duplicate rewards from weeks prior which are either broken down for mats or pve badges. And due to the lack of pvp gear, this path leads to much longer periods of farming the rng to get the upgrades. If the gear is non-azerite, you’re screwed and waiting until next week. The way for pvp’ers to get around this is to be shoved into an aspect of the game they don’t really want to do. M+ and raiding.

For the pve’ers, they are still in the same boat of having none of the bad rng protection that badges brought outside of azerite armor. And now without ML, and the restrictions on trading, the hamster wheel feels even more daunting.

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Too much rep gating - In the past, if there was a rep grind that seemed long, you could run dungeons that rewarded rep for that faction and/or equip the rep tabard. This helped to address lack of quests and to add other pathways to gain rep. We all took a step back to waiting for more quests to become available so we can do what we want inside of blizzard’s determined timeline. This was a move in the wrong direction.

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Which leads to:

Too much timegating -

"You guys are consuming the content too fast in the couple of hours you would finish it and then complain about no content. So they have to space it!"

That is often the response we see whenever we have a problem with the drip-feeding of content that is released during patch cycles. Such as when we were waiting for the Broken Shore questline to finally unlock flying that took weeks in itself.

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Class design(lack of) - We’ve had 3 expansions of pruning and with each the classes have become worse than before. Some classes/specs were released broken and were told to wait until a later patch which has now been kicked down the road to 9.0. Some feel incomplete. And with those incomplete classes/specs are what should be core abilities put into the talent trees(looking at you Warlock).

Iconic aspects of certain classes have been removed from the class or the spec(Shaman totems, rogue poisons, warrior stances, etc) for the sake of “class fantasy.” The only class fantasy served was that we were left fantasizing about how it USED to be.

And with each round of pruning came the same response of, “we hear you. we don’t want to keep removing things.” Only to be followed up with even more pruning.

If blizzard was capable of providing expansions worth of content in each patch, it wouldn’t matter that much when the vehicle in which you experience the content is UNFUN and/or broken.

This issue should be top priority. If your car is out of gas, you aren’t going to kick the tires and give it a paint job to fix it. You can try but it won’t work. The classes are pruned and gutted and are running on empty. Return them to glory.

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Pathfinder - We were told that the whole purpose was to make sure we experience the world that the art team created as if we weren’t before. Before pathfinder, we leveled up on the ground. We experienced the world. And when we completed the leveling, we could reward ourselves flying for that work. The cost was relatively expensive for the average player. It was another goal to look forward to other than just, "Now I can que/group up for dugeons/raids and grind for gear until the next patch so you can do that again."

With each expansion, pathfinder has grown more and more deep and the wait has been longer and longer it seems. You couple this with bad class design and you have recipe for logoffs/unsubs. It’s not interesting. It is not fun. This is just a game, not labor. There’s no need to turn everything into a laborious endeavor.

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Which leads to:

Dazing, bad pathing, and tedious obstacles - You know what I’m talking about.

• You need to run up to that quest hub and you zig-zag up 10 different levels to reach it when it makes no sense for the path to be that way.
• Or you have roads leading through packs of mobs that will excessively daze you unless you are a tank or have an absorb.
• Or water next to water next to water JUST deep enough to make sure you have to swim it(this was rectified with the strider mount which has now been gutted). The mount equipment replacement seems to be a means to remove/gate water walking in the future.
• The layers of terrain with objectives strangely buried to where it is an objective in itself just to find the right spot.

All of these things seem to all have a common denominator. Time inflation. It’s not interesting. It’s not fun. It’s just more tedious labor.

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Which leads to:

Removal of fun or conveniences - Each new patch brings new nerfs to old items/abilities that were primarily just used for fun purposes OR items players spent time farming before due to convenience(example: Water strider). It makes the effort put into getting these items worthless which in turn makes the items themselves inevitably worthless. Why farm for something you know is going to be made nearly obsolete later? We need more reasons to farm and invest our time, not less.

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(From a pvp perspective)

The removal of blacklist and the design of the bg’s themselves - Being unable to blacklist battlegrounds makes for a pretty bad experience when you see that loading screen of that dreaded bg. The one you want to blacklist. Most of the time it’s better for your playing experience to just take the debuff and reque later due to the dislike of the bg and the boring class design. If you were to take a poll, I wouldn’t be surprised if we found out that pvp’ers dislike most of the regular bg’s. So instead of levels of fun bg’s, we have levels of bearable to unbearable bg’s. When you couple this with the gearing system(lack of) in pvp now, and class design issues, it again is NOT FUN.

And whoever thought it was a good idea to bring Ashran back without allowing us to blacklist, please move them.

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Glitches and bugs - I am looking at you, combat bug. Take a look at the bug forum. There are so many topics being created daily. I don’t remember it being so bad until recently. And most of the bugs were reported in Beta/PTR or have existed for a long time and just overlooked. WoW in the past would delay a patch if it wasn’t ready. The idea now is to release it asap and just fix as it goes along.

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Lag, disconnects, and random hiccups - The lag and etc in BFA seems to be worse than ever. This was also evident on high pop realms when it was taking FOREVER to withdraw/deposit from the gbanks and even the auction house. While this was fixed, it took you OVER A YEAR to fix it. We may seem demanding but we can be patient. But not THAT patient.

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Laziness in gear design - So many, so so many reskins. While minor to some, this laziness has removed a large part of farming that we would do for transmogs. Why go and do that dungeon for that piece 50 ilvls lower with the same skin of the mog you already have? Obsolete content became obsolete very fast.

Clipping of the gear through the character models is also another issue(although admittedly minor, it is still common).

Mount reskins fall into this category, as well. Good mounts go to the shop and the rest are ugly reskins that aren’t worth farming for. Someone wasted their time designing them for sure. Unless you’re a completionist/collector, why bother? They should be interesting and not lazy reskins.

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While I couldn’t include EVERY single thought I personally have and I tried to limit the rambling on my biggest complaints, I feel I have given a decent enough list of “feedback” for those that feel we must provide it to them. What are your complaints?

EDIT: Forgot about CRZ and sharding.

P.S. When I go to mount my class mount and it gets interrupted either due to combat or my own choice, can you please make it also interrupt the audio? The continuous screeching that carries on even after interrupt is annoying.

well, you pretty much covered most of my own peeves…other than the nerfing to mat farming which was the catalyst that made me quit BFA pretty early on. Im not working 5 times as long for the same mats. Not happening. Get the numbers worked out BEFORE dropping the content next time.

But then yeah…screwing my work for my water strider. Its an ugly mount Id never have wasted a second grinding for except for its ability.

screwing my hunter pets taunt. that one was seriously annoying. I just dont play hunter at all anymore. There were better ways to tweak the stinking thing without ruining the class.

Pathfinder…hate it. wont do it. ever.

AP grind. done with them. permanently. wont be purchasing any future expansions that have it in any form.

[Pänic-blackrock (Pänic)]

For me, it’s just a lack of intriguing quest storylines. I’m not specifically referring to the main storyline, I’m talking about side quests that tell interesting short stories.

One in particular that I remember on the Alliance side was a questline involving a missing girl so you have to search for clues in Elwynn forest. You end up discovering, through his notes he left behind, that this adult guy was infatuated with this little girl. Ultimately, he ended up killing her so you have to track him down and get justice for this little girl. By the time you find him, he has already been dead (forgot how he died) but he is now an undead in duskwood. You kill him, get his ring, and bring it to SW to obtain the ‘Seal of Wrynn’.

Not sure if that questline still exists or if it’s been changed with all the quest revamps they did after cata but I just remember feeling bummed out that I never got justice for the little girl because he was already an undead by the time you encounter him.

[Embracedeath-executus]

The interesting thing is. the players did it this time. Right now she been off planing and trying to win war. It usually the other way around. Well at least it change for once. Nope all she does sit back and do nothing and get blamed for everything. Now i know how my oldest sister felt like.

All they had to do is burn a tree to set things in motions. That a new take on a old idea.

[Aleanther-velen]

There are no repercussions for not doing endgame content which makes BfA feel stale with no sense of urgency. I fully admit that I haven’t raided much this expansion, but there is absolutely no reason to do so.

[Bearcatbull-dalaran (Bearcatbull)]

You hit every single reason why I left the game. Surprisingly enough I found that leaving Wow was the greatest thing I ever did. Allowed me to try other games out, and surprisingly found one that is hands down better than WoW.

Still hanging around the forums of a game you quit though.

Came back for a bit to try out 8.2. Cancelled my sub after the garbage. I also still hope the devs will see the light. So I stop by and check it out. Unfortunately they keep doubling down on bad.

[Backståbbåth-nazgrel (Backståbbåth)]

I actually liked BFA since launch until 8.2 came and ruined the expansion for me. The time gate, mob scaling, etc. Its content also made me realize that Pathfinder should not have been added to the game bcuz if there’s content a player doesn’t like then they shouldn’t have to play it in order to fly. I haven’t done any 8.2 content for a month now and all I’ve been doing is log on to my toons to check mail. Other than that I’ve been checking out forums, playing other games, do more of my daily exercises or doing something else when the time I use for WoW is available.

[anon74287272]

I don’t hate it, but I’m certainly am not excited about it either.

[Blays-bloodhoof]

BfA has fun themes. The story is ham fisted and stupid. You can’t just say things like “morally gray” and kill popular people and pretend it’s good writing. That’s what GRRM and D&D did with GoT and it was just as ham fisted.

BfA would be enjoyable if:

• you could fly at 120 for gold full stop.
• classes had halfway decent toolkits - hunters were fun at 60 imo
• scaling is cancer and should be removed. It sucks the life out of life
• GCD ruined combat in so many ways.

[Zahekhan-wyrmrest-accord]

Rep grinds and the story being below subpar.

[Embracedeath-executus]

BFA like the sandwich mom always makes. It bland and taste awful. But school lunches are worse. Till someone comes along with a better sandwich. I guess i am stuck with this so call food?

BTW: Fingers cross they are in final stages for a new mmo. No ones is talking about. They mange to keep a lid on it. Let see how it goes. Made in conjunction with PlayStation. For pc so far.

[Miraeyna-moon-guard]

BFA is the first expansion since Wrath that’s actually held my interest for longer than a few months, so to each their own I guess.

But personally, when I’m not enjoying an expansion I simply quit until the next one comes out. I really don’t understand the logic behind people who talk about how terrible the game is and how much they hate it on the forums. Why continue paying for a game you don’t enjoy?

[Zecker-arthas]

Will anyone ever shut up with the class pruning. We literally have more abilities than ever.

All you do is repeat. Think for yourself.

[Lokaer-area-52]

Neck system. its annoying to deal with.

[Ravensèyé-tichondrius]

Will anyone ever shut up with the class pruning. We literally have more abilities than ever.

All you do is repeat. Think for yourself.

Is this satire?

[Revanos-nagrand (Revanos)]

For me it’s definitely the lag. Trying to do anything in the new zones but lagging to death for no reason, even though home/world latency are normal, is incredibly frustrating and saps any enjoyment the content might offer.

Also Blizzard appalling approach to the issue by never acknowledging it, never talking about it and doing absolutely nothing to fix it.

[Crickey-smolderthorn (Crickey)]

I don’t think theres too much of any thing in BFA that’s why people probably don’t like it.

[Nyestorm-proudmoore]

I like the zones and quests. I think the dungeons and raids have been entertaining. I don’t like the rng or getting repeats of the same gear week after week.

I didn’t mind pathfinder part two, but must admit I haven’t been back to either new zone much since getting flight.

I really liked the artifact weapons in Legion but find the necks to be a bit underwhelming. The essences are making them better though.

I don’t think BFA is the worst expansion, but there certainly have been some better.

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

The weekly chests should be removed instead.

[Grimmantle-thrall (Grimmantle)]

Just the AP grind again. It was terrible in Legion and it’s terrible now. Other than that, no real complaints, but that might be because I’m hilariously easy to please when it comes to many things.