Why do Premades win? (answered)

[Thromkar-westfall]

@Hiawanda-windseeker

They get no extra help or extra buffs,

Many premade groups zone in to the battleground with ony/rend/dm/zg buffs already applied to their entire team, and also require players to use consumables, as a prerequisite to being invited to participate, to better skew the match in their favor.

They hand select players for their gear and class. They choose a group compoisition that is more likely to result in victory because it has an appropriate ratio of healers to damage dealers, and because the players’ gear offers them an inherent statistical advantage – even prior to the use of consumables.

@Hiawanda-windseeker

figure out WHAT aspect of premades helps them AFTER the BG starts.

Hiawanda, this is an irrelevant question, because the premises of the match are already unfair, given that one team was hand selected and the other was randomly generated.

@Hiawanda-windseeker

BGs are team competitions, and coordinated teams usually win against uncoordinated groups of players.

You literally just spelled out the problem with matchmaking PUG groups against PREMADE groups. Because one of these types of teams is inherently more coordinated, and the other one is less so by nature.

If coordinated groups usually win against uncoordinated ones, then why is the game matchmaking uncoordinated teams to play against coordinated ones?

@Hiawanda-windseeker

WoW has many activities for solo players, but BGs aren’t one of them.

Interesting – then why do the battlemasters offer an option to queue without a full team?

@Trousers-westfall

• Premade vs. Premade = fair game.
• Pug vs. Pug = fair game.
• Pug vs. Premade = unfair game.

Unfair games are what you’re after on the surface level. Higher honor yield is your only concern underneath; and the quality of the gameplay you experience is of no consequence which is why I deem your argumentative position invalid.

Given the premises:

• What we’re talking about is a game, meant to be played for the purposes of entertainment
• Poor quality gameplay is less efficient at providing entertainment than a higher quality gameplay.
• Insurmountably unfair situations frustrate the player, and provide a poor quality gameplay experience

Our conclusion must be:

Separating Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues increases the quality of the game.

The action we should take:

Separate Premade and Matchmade Battleground queues.

It’s in the spirit of preservation to uphold the integrity of the game’s gameplay.

PUG versus Premade is inherently unfair, and is acidic to the game’s integrity. It turns Battleground matches into hot garbage, where there was once some semblance of contest.

As people have begun to abuse the ability to form premade groups – which may have once been a social enterprise – to the detriment of integrity, I assert separating the queues would be of benefit; ensuring fair matches on all fronts, and a higher quality, more integral experience for everyone involved.

@Thromkar-westfall

Modifying the game to better suit everyone and provide a higher quality of gameplay for every person that steps into a battleground is not accommodating only me, but everyone that picks up the game.

Leaving the queue systems laughably broken, proposing that sub 5 minute games which maximize honor per hour rather than providing an immersive and substantial competitive experience; that is asking Blizzard to accommodate a vocal minority.

A vocal minority who doesn’t care about PvP at all, despite sowing the seeds of corruption in the system; and only desires for the rewards it offers for purposes which probably have nothing to do with that sphere of the game