its seflish of them to refuse to play the game the way we demand they do and that we will punish and exclude and blacklist them if they continue to refuse
This mindset is why im glad the PvP changes just rendered bracket fixing obsolete. Now the gear is there for anyone that takes the time and makes the effort to earn it. With no ability for anyone outside themselves to obstruct their acquisition of it for clique political reasons.
Every raid in Classic was cleared week 1 by casual guilds with meme specs.
Minmaxers, because of a deep seated insecurity, want to pretend that this game is difficult to gain a sense of accomplishment.
This game is not difficult. Your numbers on Warcraftlogs will never matter to anyone.
While you spent hours getting world buffs, i collected all the warrior dps pieces as a ret faster than any of you. No addons, no world buffs, no consumables.
Youre too insecure to get stuff based on your personality, thats why you minmax every last bit of fun out of the game. Deep seated insecurity.
Gold is the only barrier of entry. My 100k budget gets me in any raid on any spec.
My RP PVP server Zandalar Tribe (EU) had ZERO gdkps.
So no, thats absolutely not what my point was.
Iâm not getting into what I quoted too much in this thread.
Nothing changes with premades and who they invite. Premades will likely continue to be the #1 fastest way to rank.
I also know a few rets who ranked and were loved by their teams. They were both good players and did things like throwing out the odd heal and dispelling teammates. One of the guys that Iâm talking about who we never invited again would literally AFK at the flag in addition to playing ret. People like that arenât good for any team.
If you are happy that the extremely selfish AFKing types can rank easier now I donât know what to say. Thatâs what Iâm worried about in regard to the quality of pug BGs. Were you aware that alliance pugs in Era, from the people I know who are good at and love PVP, are generally considered terrible already?
What matters is that they wont be the Only way to Rank 14.
No more having to play politics. No more drama. No more âi want to go first and im cutting in line because i greased the right palms hahaâ. No more sabotage.
ALL OF IT IS NOW OBSOLETE.
Also
one dude we invited once afkd and did nothing and he was ret. Thats totally because he was ret and not at all because he was lazy and useless. only the people who play memespecs do that so rheyre all bad haha gottem
I didnât even read your post, I was just making a statement but yes most people think you can only raid if you have 25 war/rogues 2 hunter 2 lock 2 mages 1 Druid rest shaman/priest healers
Iâm not derailing this thread more with PVP ranking talk. If you want me to go more into it I will elsewhere.
I was the one who shared a story about a scarab lord ret player in this thread. I have many posts in this thread defending meme spec players. Itâs interesting youâre going at me.
Yea, all the things that made it interesting, social and difficult are now gone, cause wagies want free gear handouts.
Good job celebrating the death of Classic!
Because youâre defending der rank mafia.
REEEEEEEE
/s
But yeah youâre correct that there is at least one active thread discussing the pvp update and that dialogue would be better there. Guess a nerve was touched with anecdotes that involved a ret player or players and sparked FEEEEELINGS.
You summed up the issue earlier.
And an ele shaman, who only brings damage, doesnât surpass a mage or warlock in damage⌠the whole point of shaman is that they are a support class. Ele doesnât have any unique raid support.
Resto does. Enhance also does (assuming no debuff limit and Nightfall is actually usable).
Lolololol
This projection is copypasta worthy
because they suck?
Feral is horrible at pvp
Spriest ooms in half a second
Enhance is auto attack for 4 years 1 wf proc back to auto
boomkin ooms in half a second
Ret lol
Make these playable in pvp and they will be decent in pve
Yes.
all of the things that made the player created system prone to corruption, nepotism, backstabbing and political sabotage of others are now gone
Dont try to defend bracket fixing. Dont try to defend Premade Mafias.
Theyre indefensible positions.
Player freedom. Positive for an MMORPG. If you dont like what they do, just do more honor or break brackets.
Its another interesting hurdle that makes obtaining rank 14 cool. (I never did it so im not biased)
âFreedom.â
Thats a joke, right? Especially when held up against the new standard of âyou no longer have to deal with the corruption, nepotism, backstabbing and political sabotage of the old system to get gear that previously was gatekept by cliques that would - for any reason or no reason - knife you in the back and blacklist you if they felt like it, forever preventing you from getting what you were afterâ.
The old way was Loot Councils with extra steps. And EVERYONE knows how trash Loot Councils are.
I get it, you thought you were a special boy because the premade mafia inner circle told you you almost had enough good boy points to get purple gear and now thats meaningless. You put up with them for nothing and that sucks.
But the old way was indefensible.
Wow, another âthe world is out to get meâ poster. It all makes sense now.
You are the type of person being talked about here by people, the type who most likely feels entitlement to get a raid spot in any raid. 
Imagine thinking people fall for gaslighting or hyperbole in 2023.
Loot Councils are terrible methods of loot distribution. Invariably it becomes the council gets the loot, the rest get scraps. Hundreds of cases of it documented all over the internet. Enough that it has all but been abandoned as a loot distribution method.
Hell, GDKP is a better loot system because it boils down to Money Talks.
And now, the Premade Mafia has no reason to exist either. Their very premise has been made obsolete.
FOREVER.
Right, itâs now clear the type of person Iâm talking to.
I donât respect people who do everything for themselves and themselves only but hey, you do you.
Hey Trashedmom, this is off topic but others are trying to derail so whatever. I havenât seen you on the forums for a little while, I hope youâve been doing well!