You should read the thread they posted but didn’t read the entirety of. It’s funny that it’s the same discourse as here with the side of “alt unfriendly” vaguely stating that they needed to do ALL questlines and how they were so far behind they couldn’t do end game content.
It’s fun when people discredit themselves so readily.
No. You don’t. Because you refuse to acknowledge all of the issues people had with the systems for off specs and alts.
And I have already said that a bit of timegating is fine. Legion went overboard on timegating every aspect during leveling and at end game. Your opinion on it being “indisputable” that it was a “net positive” to have all of that timegating is your OPINION.
ROFLMAO… this is what you’re going with now?
Good god… go start reading all of the old threads and you’ll comprehend the problems that existed when Legion launched that had to continually be fixed until it was finally not a grindy chore of timegating that kept people from off specs and alts.
Honey, I literally posted one of MANY threads about the complaints, backing up exactly what I’m talking about. And the ignored fox even backed up what I was talking when they said it had to be changed.
What are you even on about?
I’m well aware, as sadly this ain’t the first time Sendryn and I have had “conversations.”
But I remember Legion and whilst it had problems with alts, none of those things are rarely if ever brought up. Folks just talk about the grind and all of those things when they were inconsequential for 99%+ of all players.
Folks didn’t need to do all questlines, to get all the best stuff, or the “right” legendaries or any of that. The issue at hand that made Legion feel alt-unfriendly was entirely an issue of perception. Not of anything that was actually demonstrable.
So what was Legion’s one issue?
Because it had so many things you could do, doing it all over again on an alt felt daunting. Which created a negative perception loop that meant that folks burnt out more quickly and then accredited it to things that folks were doing a lot of. Such as the grind, bosses, M+, all of the things.
The alt issue with Legion is that it was the first expansion in WoW’s history that folks had stuff they wanted to do. And it wasn’t “I want to try a new class”, but rather “I have a game I can actively participate in” rather than just merely do dailies, gather stuff for professions, or do the oddball endgame activities that existed in some expansions.
That’s it, really.
BFA was almost identical to Legion but played entirely differently because folks had grown more accustomed to a WoW expansion having content but not needing to do it. I’m gonna read the article now but I doubt that it’ll be any different from what I remember of Legion.
Edit: read the first page and I’m just going to nab this list because it is a really good summary of the “complaints.”
From top to bottom:
Most of the comments are literally just stating that folks are treating alts as “additional mains” at which point you have the crux: it is a self-inflicted, community driven and percieved issue. Not an issue with the game.
Didn’t think they would be quite that blatant about it but… yeah. Kinda amazing that they were.
You two making up whatever about falling behind due to questlines I have no clue what you’re talking about.
And if all you two are going to do is turn this into a personal attack, then there is no way I’m talking to either of you again. Nor am I reading any other dissertation posted. I didn’t personally attack anyone and I’m not dealing with that crap because you can’t handle people had issues with Legion early on.
I’m just muting this now.
It added world quests. Automatic GOAT in my books.
(don’t get me wrong, there were things about Legion I hated - it’s near the top of both my most liked and most disliked expansions, but for me WQs were completely game-changing)
Didn’t just add them, it was by far the best iteration of them too.
Be patient. Eventually Legion Classic will come along.
As a druid, new cat and bear forms! I don’t care if it ‘butchered’ druid lore, because everyone else was getting to have their fancy mogs and finally druids got new bear and cat forms. Also, new owl flight form where you can carry someone!
I enjoyed Legion because of the class halls and the class stories, the mage tower and because the raids were pretty good.
Suramar was a fun city to navigate and had a pretty good story of its own.
I was fortunate in that I only played Prot and only played this toon, but I recall frustration over off-spec’s and not having any real recourse if they wanted to get a legendary for that, and just the rng nature of them in the first place.
I think this was the beginning of the paradigm of “choices should matter,” which is hard for me to disagree with in light of the RPG element. It was just that we couldn’t choose the legendary we got.
All in all, though, I really liked legion. I always look at it as WoW’s Greatest Hits Album expansion.
Legion had honestly fun content, some fantastic cutscenes, “I Am My Scars”, and really good story telling.
It ruined getting honor and conquest and PvP gear, but otherwise it was the last really good time all around fun expansion.
Brother you once tried to debate whether I was “LGBT friendly enough” despite me being queer.
You are the only person on this gods forsaken website that incites genuine rage out of me.
Idk. Sounds like a long time. And they won’t let you transfer mogs to retail.
I mained as a restoration shaman and refused to do world quests and the like as a healer and did it as elemental. So I geared up my resto as my main and then spent bits and bobs on my elemental set.
My first legendary wasn’t a good one for either, but it worked so I was massively happy with that. And I maintained another character here on the US side (which now is my main account but still, it effectively served as a more main-like alt).
I never had any issues with doing any of these things, and I didn’t play for 5+ hours a day or anything else of the nonsense folks keep talking about. Folks literally just want to do more than what’s necessary and of course if one wants to do more then it’ll take more time so it is just like… I don’t get it.
But it is 100% a self-inflicted and largely community driven issue. But none of the frustrations that folks mentioned even at the time ever made any sense to me because it is just like… don’t worry about having to do everything on every single character immediately and at all times times the number of alts you have?
It is just a weird thing to intentionally burn oneself out.
Yeah, I was working 12s all the time, when Legion was current, and swapped characters I was focusing on like 4 times. I played mostly Enhance, but I think at the end of the expansion I was playing more Frost Mage because I really liked the set bonus from Tomb? I think it was Tomb’s.
My comment wasn’t about alts, but about offspec, but I agree that there are different ways to play and enjoy the game. I think the timegating was extended to legendaries to prevent a rapid power creep between players: those who had time to farm nonstop (and would), and those who didn’t care to.
I did enjoy legion and was able to make whatever legendary I got - man, I don’t even remember? - work just fine.
Quite frankly Turalyon by himself should have been able to annihilate Illidan; putting aside his position as general of the army of the light, the paladin actually had an order of magnitude more combat expierience then edgelord magee thanks to his time in the twisting nether.
Add on the light forged and Velen and he should have by all rights been a smeer on the deck or at best forced to flee with his tail between his legs.
But instead one incredibly stupid platitude was all it took to win everyone over.
I would suggest you read my previous statements on the level of plot armor and editorial fiat this character was given.
Long time? Consider this. One galactic year ago was about 230 million Earth years ago. At about that time the super continent Pangaea was starting to break apart. The earliest ancestors of dinosaurs were starting to appear.
Two galactic years ago, about 460 million years ago, animals were first appearing on land. Some continents were starting to form the super continent of Pangaea while others were moving to join later. Parts of Africa were positioned over the South Pole
Three galactic years ago, about 690 million years ago the super continent Rodinia was breaking up and we were in the Cryogeian period experiencing a “snow ball Earth”
And you will probably have to wait about six or seven Earth years for Classic Legion.
What are you talking about. Challenge Mode dungeons and Mythic+ are not at all the same thing.
Tiffany, you are over 70 years old, and this not the first time I have seen you make such bizarre comparisons to justify something in-game.
Fyi, young as I am, with my health issues, I might not be around 7 years.
As a cosmic being capable of experiencing these time scales, this is very relevant to me.
This is sarcasm.