Why do people get mad at Classic Players?

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The issue i have with Classic is that many of the players advocating are streamers seeing the past through rose tinted glasses. They fail to acknowledge all of the problems that it had. There has been so much pressure on Blizz by them and higher ups to get in on the Private Server money (basically Classic is a cash grab).

Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long. Many of the current BFA devs are new, less experienced, or interns. This causes the Live product to have more bugs, missing textures, and other problems. If there was a full team on BFA maybe many of the issues players have with game mechanics, Azerite Gear, Questing, and other problems would have been mitigated.

Do I have fond memories of Vanilla WoW? Absolutely, but Im not blind to the fact that Classic is a step back in terms of game design. I hope that all this effort results in a product that the playerbase is happy with though.
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10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long


Source? Because we do not know who is on the team, but we do know that it is not anyone working on current WoW as it is all new people.
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10/29/2018 06:46 PMPosted by Studmuffyn
10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long


Source? Because we do not know who is on the team, but we do know that it is not anyone working on current WoW as it is all new people.


You are correct, there is no way to research/cite who is on which team without having a full list of credits for WoW Classic, BFA, and every expansion in between. And quite frankly I do not wish to spend hours trying to find every single person.

What I can say that the people I heard this from are part of the BFA dev team and were part of Vanilla Beta. Take that info how you wish though.

However, i hope that Classic turns out to be what the players were hoping for even though I dont agree with it being made
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10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
The issue i have with Classic is that many of the players advocating are streamers seeing the past through rose tinted glasses. They fail to acknowledge all of the problems that it had. There has been so much pressure on Blizz by them and higher ups to get in on the Private Server money (basically Classic is a cash grab).

Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long. Many of the current BFA devs are new, less experienced, or interns. This causes the Live product to have more bugs, missing textures, and other problems. If there was a full team on BFA maybe many of the issues players have with game mechanics, Azerite Gear, Questing, and other problems would have been mitigated.

Do I have fond memories of Vanilla WoW? Absolutely, but Im not blind to the fact that Classic is a step back in terms of game design. I hope that all this effort results in a product that the playerbase is happy with though.
many classic fans admit the game wasn't perfect. We want it anyway.

As for classic being a step back many of us would say that it's live that has been watered down over the years.
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10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
many of the players advocating are streamers seeing the past through rose tinted glasses
I don't know about that. Almost every person I've seen advocating for Classic has admitted that there are a lot of rough spots. You can love something despite it having faults, and loving it doesn't make you blind to its faults either.

I dislike the constant implication that advocates for Classic only ever view the game through rose-tinted goggles. As if we're incapable of realizing this and stepping back to analyze things on our own. I can sit here and list a ton of issues I had with the game at the time. Still doesn't mean I don't want it back.
10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
Classic is a cash grab
Every game is a cash grab, or else they'd be giving it to you for free with zero micro-transactions.
10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long. Many of the current BFA devs are new, less experienced, or interns. This causes the Live product to have more bugs, missing textures, and other problems. If there was a full team on BFA maybe many of the issues players have with game mechanics, Azerite Gear, Questing, and other problems would have been mitigated.
I've seen zero proof of this. I'd like a sources cited for it, because from everything I've heard from Blizzard, they've implied that they hired an entirely new team for this. Unless you think that making a "new" game detracts from all the other games. In which case, one should also look down on Overwatch, Hearthstone, SC2, and upcoming project teams as well.

Also, the issues such as Azerite Gear, RNG priority, etc are the result of choices made long ago by the dev team with the direction they chose to take the game. This has been an ongoing trend, and it has spawned many expansions prior to this.
10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
Classic is a step back in terms of game design
How is it a step back in terms of game design? Even the devs that worked on it state in the Classic Cast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izCBaGfGJCg) that although they would WANT to change a lot of things if they went back to Classic, they don't think they could, because the product they accidentally created was much better than they thought.

There's something to be said for encouraging the feeling of achievement, of wonder, in a video game. Unless modern design for you is bells and whistles of convenience.
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They just worry that people who currently play the game will switch to classic, which the type of person who seriously worries about that is probably the type of person that can't imagine playing wow and not enjoying nearly everything, you know, crazy people.
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I was one of those people once. I did not want a classic because I did not want resources divided between classic and live. Now that Ion and company have proven they do not have the capacity to run live and with them bringing Holinka the PVP slayer back into the mix I figure live is about done with....they cannot reverse course on years of bad judgement and make 3 million people unhappy....thus live is dead to a lot of people.
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because our wall of #NOCHANGES
is stronger then theirs wall of #NO was
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10/29/2018 06:42 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
The issue i have with Classic is that many of the players advocating are streamers seeing the past through rose tinted glasses. They fail to acknowledge all of the problems that it had. There has been so much pressure on Blizz by them and higher ups to get in on the Private Server money (basically Classic is a cash grab).

Additionally, developing Classic is taking away from the current expansion. Many of the more experienced devs were moved to classic bc they have been working with WoW for so long. Many of the current BFA devs are new, less experienced, or interns. This causes the Live product to have more bugs, missing textures, and other problems. If there was a full team on BFA maybe many of the issues players have with game mechanics, Azerite Gear, Questing, and other problems would have been mitigated.

Do I have fond memories of Vanilla WoW? Absolutely, but Im not blind to the fact that Classic is a step back in terms of game design. I hope that all this effort results in a product that the playerbase is happy with though.

We know EXACTLY the problems that vanilla had. Many of us played through them, and we've been discussing them to death for almost a year now. We may have nostalgia goggles, but that nostalgia was custom built from playing an excellent MMORPG. I personally played WoW for four years, before finally burning out. I've never played a game even close to that long, before or since.
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10/29/2018 06:58 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
What I can say that the people I heard this from are part of the BFA dev team and were part of Vanilla Beta. Take that info how you wish though.


Sure you did,lol, my uncles who knows a guy who cleans the floors at Blizzard HQ told me different though.

10/29/2018 06:58 PMPosted by Musclehamsta
You are correct, there is no way to research/cite who is on which team without having a full list of credits for WoW Classic, BFA, and every expansion in between. And quite frankly I do not wish to spend hours trying to find every single person.


Sure there is, they have stated more than once that this is an entirely NEW team, they even posted the job openings for the team.
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Well people are fine with some classic players and some are just annoying. Being passionate and excited about classic is great, but some people like to use that as a lead into bashing retail.

Those are the people that get dislike, which they deserve, particularly when they misrepresent elements of both classic and retail.
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We behave like this because their is a concerted push by retail players to water down our wine. There is no other reason. Just go away and everything can be peaceful.

Just. Go. Away. Let us have our weird old game that you don't want to play.
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I can see how some people would dislike aspects of classic seeing how it requires at least a minor level of thought, over the complete lack of thought needed to play modern. see the problem with classic is that it was catered to the hardcore, and where that made the best game, in terms of skill cap. the combat itself was not as “good” or fast paced and “balanced”. that is a plus for me and a negative, the lack of polish is apparent in classic combat over 15 years of work, but since the balance was not a heavy concern, ie catering to casual players, that did not know how to mid max all the many many different ways you could in the pre cata rework with the sundering and talent changes.

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Necro was not a class in vanilla. :smile:

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I keep seeing statements like this without any proof. I wish people would stop making statements like this without some form of proof or a link to something official blizzard said. Back up your statements with a credible source.

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giggling little girls

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This is so on point! I started perusing the classic forum in November and there is no doubt a sense that retail players somehow aren’t as refined as classic players. They are convenience-minded and don’t have the patience or the “stamina” to play classic.

It’s so ridiculous. We are talking about a video game.

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Couldn’t agree more. See ya in Classic.

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Why necro such a negative thread? In all honesty though it’s some what of a minor issue people will always like what they like and most just oppose whatever is different.

It’s boiling down to liking to different sports teams tbh. Sure you have some of your truly crazy fans out there that will do some real crazy stuff, but majority of the fans are not like this.

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Because they hate anything that’s good or decent, and want to destroy good games because of their loathing self hate.