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short term memory from those on the retail side is an interesting thing.
you must have missed all the wall of no (about having no vanilla), you think you do but you don't, and etc that vanilla fans put up with for a decade.
but go ahead and tell us about dissenting opinions.
You assume everyone here who isn't on your side vehemently is against you, again
Do you know the difference between carpet bombing and targeted strikes,
Do you know what Generalizations are.
Do you understand how your ranting could harm/push away people who likely had nothing to do with your stupid ''war'' with GD,but might be otherwise excited to play classic.
I defy you to find any proof that i'm on this ''anti Classic'' side of your ignorant ''us v them'' nonsense troll war.
I suppose not.
obviously not everyone who isn't on our side is against us. then again, you don't see me attacking a person too much either do you? you see me attacking the argument in question. let me ask you this though. how many times in a year can you be expected to counter an argument put forth by someone without getting annoyed with the argument in question? for years we had people telling us that we didn't really want vanilla and didn't know what we were asking for. when we finally got it, they come in here and start recommending changes to a game they didn't want. and yes, some just posted a wall of no or said #no changes, but others actually debated the points.
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you must have not seen how the retail community acted for 10 years towards those who wanted classic.
but hey, i guess its okay to be bitter after enduring only 1/10th of what you dished out.
There's something called being a gracious winner - which many Vanilla pushers are absolutely not being. Just because some people were jerks to you for something, doesn't mean you have to turn around to stoop to their level.
As the person you quoted said - look around these forums; for people claiming how the community was better and tighter in Vanilla, the forums are showing nothing of the sort. They're showing people slamming anyone who disagree with their opinion, they're showing people ranting and raving at Blizzard over any change they feel isn't OK, on and on.
No wonder Blizzard employees don't post on this forum or give little updates on how it's going. People keep asking where they are and why so few updates... If you were working hard on a game, and you visited your forums to see people acting the way the were, would you want to pop in? I wouldn't. I'd be ashamed of them and stay clear.
Vanilla players have had a chance to get a game they wanted - and had a chance to use these forums to pull people in, engage them and to revel in getting something they've wanted for however long. They could be using the forums to try to build guilds, get world firsts done, etc, etc.
Instead they use it to moan about how this pixel is one pixel to the left, and how "retail newb johnny" is a moron because he's OK with the night darkness being 5 lumens brighter, and to continue to feed trolls and engage in petty arguments that ends up in everyone looking like a fool.
Now this isn't how everyone acts - but look around, and you'll see it's the most vocal group here. Those other threads actually trying to pull people in engage just end up getting buried pages back.
Whether or not you agree with change X and believe it is or isn't a big deal isn't the point - the point is that people aren't communicating in a respectful and constructive way. They're coming off a petty and ungrateful
and you know what? most the time when i debate something with someone, i resort to attacking the argument they present. i have been attacked more times myself by people in favor of changes (personal attacks, not my points) then i have the other way around. but hey. i don't see you guys calling them out all the time. no you attack the people of classic who are TIRED of seeing the same threads show up after a year. how many times in the past year has someone came in and asked for transmog, LFD/LFR, or Class Balance changes? How many times have they ridiculed the people who want to just have classic be classic? How many times must we have the same debate before we are fed up with it?
and its funny that you bring up people slamming those with other opinions, because have you been to the general discussion forums? its worse then it is here.
as for you talking about us having a chance to pull in people to classic, its kind of hard when those people want to come in and change classic into something that wasn't classic.
you must have not seen how the retail community acted for 10 years towards those who wanted classic.
but hey, i guess its okay to be bitter after enduring only 1/10th of what you dished out.
short term memory from those on the retail side is an interesting thing.
you must have missed all the wall of no (about having no vanilla), you think you do but you don't, and etc that vanilla fans put up with for a decade.
but go ahead and tell us about dissenting opinions.
So, the "Classic community" isn't full of better people after all?
Thank you for finally admitting that fact.
I'm super excited for classic. Even though I was opposed to it for years, not because I didn't like the game, but because I disliked the attitudes of those advocating for it. Always going on about retail sucking, retail players being horrible, etc... (This has gone on from Classic advocates for YEARS.) So, I didn't want Classic.
Now, after having been out of WoW for over a year, having played for 12 years prior... I'm hyped for Classic, and can't wait to play the game I loved for so long.
But, let's not pretend the Classic community is any better than the retail community. It isn't now, and hasn't been for almost a decade.
that's funny because we literally have people in this very forum who spent time campaigning against vanilla even existing, and do you know what they are doing now? ridiculing the people who want to keep classic as it was, and campaigning to change classic into something it wasn't. but hey. WERE THE BAD PEOPLE FOR WANTING TO KEEP THE GAME THE WAY IT WAS.
what is so wrong with wanting to keep the game the way it was?
what is so wrong with finally getting the game we want, and defending it against people who clearly don't want that game?
You guys sit here and say we are the bad ones for defending a game we want, but you say NOTHING about those who come here and try to change the game to something else.
Hypocrites.
The problem i have with those wanting changes is they keep bringing up the same debate again and again despite those debates already being had. how many times do we have to explain an answer to them? how long are we supposed to have the same debate without getting annoyed?
you want to know why people have resorted to just saying "no changes" and posting "Wall of No"?
how do you respond when yet another door to door marketer/religious person/politician supporter/etc comes to your house?
the first few times you might be polite and hear them out.
eventually you get to the point where you just cut the bull and tell them you aren't interested.
Fact is we are well past that point. it took us a decade of dealing with people insulting us, with posting wall of no to vanilla requests, etc.
we finally got it and what do those same people do? they try to take what we finally got and make it into something they want. how is that even remotely fair?