the peace treaty were “Trolls belongs Zandalar, the Rest to the night elves”
That is what happened, yes.
The Humans did not even have to ask nicely. The Highborne left on their own.
If anything, the Highborne found the loa unnerving as well, so had they not been attacked, they might have left the same as they left Tirisfal.
Shooting first does not mean forgoing any claims to said lands. Nor does it justify the victors of the war from claiming greater territory as a spoils of said war.
That is what historically happened, though. Whatever justification claims you want to make have no baring to pointing out what happened.
See my response to Tamanii.
That was only part of it. It was a peace treaty. Meaning no more attacks from both sides and no further Troll land would be taken over. The Elves went in to Troll territory and broke the treaty.
Wrong. The High Elfes invaded the Amani. That’s what happened.
Again the hypocrisy. They can leave the humans alone but they have to slaughter Trolls and settle on their land.
Ah the rambling hypocritical colonial Azarshas treaty ignoring nonsense ignoring everything I wrote way before. I see.
no…it was only…about zandalar…if the trolls attacke again…the queen would have crushed every bit of troll civilization in all of Kalimdor.
Azharsa said also she would leave the Trolls alone. The Zandalari had only to make sure the peace would last with every tribe.
Meaning also Amani territory was not to be invaded. The elves broke the treaty.
Edit: Before anyone ever claims again: “The Elves didn’t know about the Trolls.” Yes they did since Azshara.
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Right. So you agree that it wasn’t an invasion.
Actually, no. First, the Highborne led by Dath’Remar revolted against Azshara so weren’t bound by her treaties. Second, even if they were, nothing in the Treaty said anything about this situation. All that Treaty said is that the Zandalari get to keep THEIR lands as long as they kept the other Nations from attacking the Night Elves. But that Treaty became null as soon as the Sundering occurred and Azshara was dethroned.
AND of the Highborne.
I’m not demanding anything from either, nor did the Highborne.
The only Demand they had, if they had any, was to “stop killing us.”
Which is why they didn’t do it.
Right. OVER THE MOUNTAIN.
After which, the only choice was to trying to escape the relentless attacks of the Amani by traveling north.
No you’re not… You are just making declarative statements. Kisin didn’t counter my point either. The Ancients favor night elves, that is obvious. Just because other races happen to worship them doesn’t change that, especially when a lot of those races are only allowed to do so by the virtue of Kaldorei diplomacy.
You have not supported or proved anything.
Azshara was also enthralled by Sargaras. That’s not an argument.
Fair enough.
KT was a member of the Kirin Tor. You cannot split hairs between Necromancy and Arcane, as Arcane study was KT’s academic foundation from which he built his necromantic powers.
The difference is the Nightmare is druidic magic corrupted by the Void. Most forms of magic have a right and wrong way to do things. The Arcane and Fel do not have those same restrictions.
And if we really want to start speculating and psycho analyzing the Arcane, we can. But I feel that is more theorycraft than lore.
You just posited that had the Trolls been more peaceful, the Highborne would have skipped them over too and continued until they found someone who struck first. And then, when the people have proven themselves not peaceful, it’d be okay for the elves to settle those lands and slaughter the people.
That’s kind of even more messed up.
Why couldn’t the elves have just nicely asked the Humans to move off the most potent leylines? Or lived among the humans on the most potent leylines? Or just not lived on the most potent leylines?
Afterall, the humans were peaceful and reasonable. And even if they did fight, they would have resulted in far fewer Elven casualties- and probably human ones, considering it would have been easier to overcome them.
The idea that whenever a genocide happens in the WoW universe, people collective shrug and go “Yep. That’s the just the facts for you,” is a very disingenuous way to frame its actual use in the narrative.
And for what it’s worth, we still routinely kill Trolls and build settlements on their land in WoW, so it’s not just “history”. It’s contemporary and ongoing.
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With the trolls no longer a Treat, Azshara continue to expand her dominion. So the troll accept…and have afterwars nothing to say…only zandalar was save.
They had to use their influence to ensure that no troll would do something stupid.
Wrong. It was an invasion. Don’t even start such a silly game.
That’s fair in their eyes sure. But not in the Trolls.
You’re wrong on this. Azshara had no intentions to attack any Troll tribe and agreed to let them live in peace. All of them. So Azharsa was in this instance wiser than the High Elves.
No. An invasion force is the aggressor.
Why is Quel’thalas a thing?
Killing every Troll on sight?
Bias knows no bounds.
Yeah right further in to Amani territory, battling them even more. I can’t get why you think this was a good idea.
Or why you can think there is any defense for this at all.
So you agree the Elves broke the treaty.
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Most of the Ancients favor other races than the Night Elves. They created those races and act as their patrons and when we meet them, they’re more concerned about their well being or the well being of the world, than anything Night Elf.
Just because some Druidic sects that happen to be majority Night Elves happen to worship them doesn’t change that. The majority of the ancients show no preference for Night Elf affairs over those of their own related offspring. You made the claim, and provided absolutely no evidence for it. At all. And when asked for any evidence, you just go, “It’s obvious” and when presented with evidence to the contrary, you reply with “nuhuh”.
All while trying to shift goalpoasts and accuse everyone else of making declarative statements, the making of which is how you got into this mess to begin with.
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NO, the Treaty was: Zandalar belongs to the Trolls, only Zandalar…the REST DID NOT! The rest of Kalimdor belongs to the night elves.
Welcome back.
So which is it? I say all genocide bad. You say?
Holy mountains.
And no it dosen’t. It says: We won’t attack the tribes keep their peace. Meaning it included every tribe.
Faelia at least took the overthrowing of Azshara as en excuse, which works.
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No, they don’t.
Several times we have been asked to slaughter entire groups of those races for XYZ reasons, by the ancients themselves.
It is so obvious that the Night Elves have favor from the Wild Gods, but you want to be butt hurt about it, that is your issue.
No…read above…i post the sentences…the holy mountain of zandalar…not of amani, or gurubashi.
all 
The Elves attacked. All the tribes were included. Elves broke the peace. It’s simple.
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simply…wrong
Part of the Treaty was the Trolls renounce their claim to all land except for Zandalar.
The treaty wasn’t for peace, it was to preserve their holy mountains. It was an incredibly unfair deal, hence the thousands of years of resentment.
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Indeed that’s what you are wrong.
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It was unfair yes. But not one of the Troll cities was abandoned, meaning you’re wrong. No further attacekd from te Night Elves happened ever.
The peace was maintained until the High Elves attacked. Even the Zandalari saw the Amani n the right.
Meaning: You are wrong.