SHB, sure, but not IWB. Looks like I’ve just argued with you. I guess the universe explodes now.
Horde dont cause turtles btw. I’ve sat in many an AV to know that we exclusively go with a zug zug strat to maximize honor and shorten games.
Any turtling is caused by alliance playing Defense or backcapping (I guess 1k honor per game isnt enough for you?) which sends a bunch of people back to our cave. Well, we aren’t just going to let you have towers for free at that point so we take back our towers and send alliance back to their cave. And such the turtle begins.
Tl;dr: Alliance is causing the turtles by playing heavy defense.