Why do Horde races want to be in the horde?

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And that was against the Draenei, a race that the Alliance did not know existed at that time, and they had absolutely no idea what the Orcs did to their species at that time. Can you see the flaw in your argument yet?

The Alliance can only hold the Orcs accountable for what they did against the Alliance. For the entirety of the First and Second Wars only one clan and one warchief was not under the influence of demonic bloodlust. The Frostwolf Clan and Orgrim Doomhammer and while the Frostwolves did fight against the Stormwind Humans at first, they were exiled long before the sacking of Stormwind and did not fight in the Second War.

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Man some of the mental gymnastics some people do in this thread is amazing, Should start handing out medals for it.

On topic, Blizzard does need to work on showing the Horde working together better instead of being at each other throats. There should be alot on animosity between orc and elf, elf and troll. they need on resolving that a bit more and have the different races work together more. There was the whole thing originally with the Tauren looking to help cure the forsaken with the undeath what ever happen to that. With the Zandalari now part of the Horde perhaps things can be improved between amani and Bloodelves and they can push the Scourge finally out of their lands. Show that unifcation by having the Horde deal with the problems in its own lands.

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That’s fine, but we still know it was the right call because we can see the whole story. People can still make a safe decision without all of the info, it’s called being cautious. We put a person in handcuffs because they killed at least one person and could do it again, the handcuff decision is then justified because we later find 8 more bodies in his back yard. Good thing we didn’t give him the option to reach for one of our weapons.

You and the others are taking a modern day progressive stance where anything more than a Norwegian minimum security prison is evil. And I’m a massive progressive irl. But you’re applying it to a world where a race drank demon blood and berserked through a portal after building a bone highway.

We’re talking about a coalition of medieval fantasy Kingdoms, of at least four different races, who seemingly got along amazingly since I don’t ever remember a war between any of them. And they’re just doing their thing, until a bunch of demon blood drinking berserkers come in and destroy the first kingdom they see and wage war on the rest of the continent. It’s absolutely outstanding that they decided not to just kill them all, and I’m amazed you all just ignore this given real history. And no one in their right mind would just let them go, if anyone actually made that call I would call them the biggest fool in the history of fools and they should be dressed in a clown costume. Especially thanks to hindsight, that the first thing the Orcs on the other side of the portal decided to do after their failed war was to invade a bunch of other worlds.

Not to mention, we still have not heard about what the glorious other options are, what SHOULD have been done with the Orcs. You all keep skipping around that question as well as acknowledging all of the times I’ve listed off the amount of slaves the Horde have.

But it’s cool ya know. The Alliance imprisoned an army of genocidal maniacs, and 3 of them plus an ogre got enslaved to corrupt nobles. Burn the Alliance down.

The Horde enslaves Leper Gnomes, Kobolds, Molten Giants, Ogres, Gilneans, Red Dragons, gave a chick in UC a lobotomy and use her as a slave, and have a slave gladiator ring in Org. lol don’t care alliance bad, why are you so pro-slavery, hold on let me whip my leper gnome slave XD

I will go out of my way to go around and take screenshots of all of the Horde’s slaves and post the album here if you want. Would you like to see all of their faces? Why is the Horde so pro slavery?

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What the hell is this nothing-burger of a post?

Progressives? Norwegian jails? Man, stay on topic, we’re talking about Azeroth and a fictional world that has nothing to do with real world politics and drama.

You’ve rambled and rambled, without really presenting a coherent thought. Do better.

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Once again you just dodge everything.

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When you present a coherent thought and a relevant question, I’ll answer it. As I said. Do better. I’m not reading through a short story of crap just to find the one nugget of legitimacy that’s in there.

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Its what carhagen does, dodges the question then tries to flip it like with some random point that you’ve already answered in another post. They know they don’t have a leg to stand on so keeps having the argument running around in circles.

I found its best to ignore them.

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Yeah I’m assuming they’re trolling. Still no answer on what the magical solution on what to do with the Orcs and still no acknowledgement of all the slaves the Horde has. I’m thinking about taking a shot anytime they do this but I’d probably be dead by now.

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I corrected you, because you made the idiotic assumption that the Alliance should be punishing the Horde based on information they don’t know about.

We have the privilege of knowing about this information, but the Alliance leaders at the time did not. If they had, I’d wager they may have thought very differently, but no Alliance soldier had ever gone through the Dark Portal and returned at that point, so they had no idea about the Draenei, Saberon or Arrakoa. They only knew of the Orcs and the Ogres, who were working together.

What the Orcs did post-imprisonment is irrelevant to this argument.
What the Orcs did on Draenor is irrelevant to this argument.

Focus on the point, and don’t bring irrelevant information into the debate.

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Unless you can point to where Silvermoon’s government signed off on leper gnome labour, this is only really an indictment of the guy who runs (ran?) the tailoring shop. A “rogue tailor,” one might say.

Thrall’s predicament was at least known to Arthas and Terenas per Rise of the Lich King.

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The Horde will probably forever be stuck in the limbo of “Do we want to make this faction evil or just victims of circumstance and the past?” Anyways I always say that we should let the Alliance commit more warcrimes.

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I know right, imagine if the horde player base actually had some legit complaints about alliance crimes for once. Forums would probably burn.

The level of crime the Alliance would need to commit to catch up with Horde at this point to outpace them would be staggering. Perhaps they can be responsible for blowing up the world on purpose.

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Doesn’t help that each relapse further negates the “victim of the past” narrative. The game can try all it wants from here on out but the horde will never be able to embody that premise after becoming the perpetrators of the present instead.

I think the faction’s busted and only a hard reboot could fix it, but that won’t happen so meh.

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Sadly true the horde has been stuck in this cycle for its entire existence. Blizzard tried to frame the last one as breaking the cycle but this is the same song and dance the horde has been doing since its inception.

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I think WC3’s timeskip was necessary to help the idea work, since bringing in a new generation of orcs meant there were some innocents to work with. And the other three racial members were invented for that expansion and couldn’t have had anything to do with WC1-2.

But nothing can work to fix it this time around because they not only villain batted the current roster, but the horde player character along with it. Unless you abandon all attachment to your main and reroll a dracthyr, I guess, but a neutral race can never really grasp that “monster race unfairly feared” gimmick the way a horde-only one can.

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so to answer the thread question: they shouldn’t, and there IS no in- or out- of universe reason they should, because the writers ###### up JUST. THAT. BADLY.

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It could’ve been fine if they felt like portraying the alliance as a monster as well but well apparently that can’t exist. The alliance is a bastion of goodness while the horde is portrayed as a people that love war. We have people like genn and turalyon but they are basically only allowed to be meangirls at best.

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I mean, they should, each race that joined the Horde has a good reason why they joined, and why they continue to stay.

For some its because they swore an oath. For others it’s because they aided the Horde and saw them as a worthy faction to join, and for a few it’s because they tried to join the Alliance and the Alliance stabbed them in the back or they were simply attacked by the Alliance outright and needed allies.

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I would like to make a public statement regarding my like of an Erevien post. It was strictly because I agreed with his comment about the U.S. prison system and not necessarily his opinion on the matter being so heatedly discussed here. My lore knowledge is not deep enough for me to weigh on the matter.

I feel that needed to be said. Thank you.

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The tragedy here is that people made these complaints around MoP, too, if not earlier. We at least had forewarning that the guy would be deposed before the expansion was done, but it still strapped the faction in for about 80% of Garrosh’s nosedive into villainy. Another warmongering Horde, another evil warchief, another round of soul-searching for the orcs; all of this nonsense was trite after WC3.

And then they did it again. I would love to have been a fly on the wall during the utter clown fiesta that must have been BfA’s brainstorming session.

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