What a beautiful strawman. I’m genuinely impressed.
This spun tale isn’t what you were claiming - that it takes years of learning to be good enough for mythic raiding. It takes time to learn, yes - in no way am I claiming this is an overnight process - but years is an enormously hyperbolic claim. On more than one occasion I’ve seen totally new players to the game pull this off within a tier.
Why is general knowledge, or the ability to follow Raidbots’ instructions not something a casual is capable of? Seems a rather arbitrary thing.
Not sure that I’ve ever seen this claim, but it’s not being made here, so it’s irrelevant.
I didn’t say that. I’m asking, because I remember when one of my guilds went casual raiding in Wrath, there was no way they were full clearing anything. They didn’t spend the time and couldn’t get through all of the fights. They did it casually, enjoyed what they cleared, but it wasn’t much, because there wasn’t enough time to learn the fights.
Because more than likely, it will cost these people actual money in order to get it. Perhaps they’d like the opportunity to earn the mount themselves without having to purchase it. But if they do not belong to an established raiding team, the likelihood of them getting it via raiding is probably close to zero.
Mythic Raiding has a huuuuuuge spectrum of difficulty. Yeah, being in a RWF team requires dedication and skill beyond what the vast majority of players possess.
But there’s like 5-10 guilds that even try to compete in that race.
There’s a pretty huge skill gap between RWF guilds and your average HOF guild and a HoF Guild and your average CE guild and a CE guild and your average “clear 3-5 bosses” guild.
You can be a pretty ordinary gamer and still raid mythic.
The biggest challenge to low-level Mythic Raiding will always be the roster boss. Once you beat that, the first 3-5 bosses of a tier on Mythic are usually much easier than the final boss on Heroic.
LFR isn’t earning anything. That’s kinda the primary disagreement going on. LFR is unapologetically designed for guaranteed victory. You aren’t earning anything where there is damn near zero fail state, that’s just a free gift. I understand why people want a free gift, but that doesn’t seem to be the intent behind this.
This is just not even remotely close to true. Normal is extremely pug-friendly to begin with; it’s just not that hard, and historically plenty of groups run it. And on top of that it’s not like the community at large is progressing all new fights for this - these are old fights we already know (again, generally) with a slight twist on them that ultimately makes them easier.
I’m not sure why folks do it. I also don’t get why folks think Normal-Heroic raiders, M+ers and PvPers don’t qualify as a casual. Mythic raiders ‘might’ be able to be casual but iunno.
Yeah, it feels like more often then not it’s folks that strictly do world quests that think their playstyle is the only ‘casual’ option. Ignoring that some folks only raid 2 nights a week or even one depending on the group.
M+ is fast af and a very casual way to progress your characters power as well.
Dont let some people see this. I tried to explain that people raiding two nights a week are raiding casually and some very known trolls had brain meltdowns over it lol
For real tho. A lot of those folks didn’t even understand that they’re bringing back Group Loot and not Master Loot. They also seem to be completely against finding a group (or starting one) that meets their raiding requirements.
Agreed. I remember being in this guild that was a US top 100 in Cata. I remember during raid this one guy made the same mistake 3 times in a row and the RL straight raged and kicked him from the team/guild.
In all my time raiding in this game thats the one time I have seen major toxicity in this game raid wise.
While everyones experience is different I find it highly unlikely its as high as people make it out to be unless they are the constant problem.
I dipped my toes in the top 100 scene in WOD and quickly learned that it wasn’t for me.
I’m fairly competitive, but I’m not that competitive. It’s a completely different world and I’m much more comfortable in the “yeah, we’ll probably get CE if we don’t have any major recruiting issues” level of raiding.
Lost two guilds this expansion due to burn-out. One in Sepulcher, one in Sanctum.
So I said “GG I’m done” for the tier. Maybe I might spend S4 trying to find a guild for DF.
Yeah, trying to force yourself to be in a guild that you don’t fit in is never going to work.
For me the issue was more that I knew I wouldn’t enjoy the game if I tried to be as competitive as they were, they were big on people having multiple alts for split runs and I just kinda wanted to raid log.
I had two guilds I was in die in CN. Joined a new guild for Sanctum but they asked me to swap from lock to mage, I did but didnt get any assistance gearing up which lead to me “failing my trial” after they asked me to swap. Joined a guild on MG and have been part of a group of 8 thats been together through 2 guild mergers during Sanctum before the roster boss caught up in Sepulcher.
My issue is free time, I dont have the free time now to play like I did back when I was single without a family and not working 65 hours a week.