The Silver Covenant didn’t show up for the rest of BFA either.
I can’t answer for Blizzard’s shoddy writing. They forgot the Vindicaar existed too. The Covenant operated as recently as the Nighthold campaign and nothing has been shown in game or outside media to say they’ve gone anywhere or changed their allegiance.
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Well, they didn’t forget the Sun Reavers! Look, there is plenty wrong with Blizzards writing, but it’s not shody just because they aren’t writing high elves in a way that supports your argument.
The Silver Covenant shows up when Dalaran does.
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The SC still live in Dalaran as it is shown Vereesa still lives there with her children as well.
Not being seen doesnt mean they are no longer around. Devs tend to be efficient. They wont overpopulate the world
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Can’t they split the blood elves and make them like Pandaren? Problem solved. It might even shift the balance of power to Alliance since so many Alliance would make blood/high elves. All the complaining would stop, populations would be more balanced, everyone happy.
Seems like an easy fix. Some blood/high elves go with Horde, some go with Alliance. Easy to come up with a reason for both.
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ironic, coming from a HE supporter
As per your own words:
One day you will learn that ingame numbers are not the canon lore numbers, by that reason you could say only like 15 maghars came from draenor, and only 2 high elves live in stormwind, or a dozen are part of the silver covenant because its how we can count then.
That a completely nonsense argument
Thats in fact, a lie, or, i would say in your own words:
Because all the elven fantasy of warcraft 2 like their rangers who participate in the second war is now horde, the farstriders.
All the elven fantasy of warcraft 3 is now horde.
You know, if people REALLY played the original elven fantasy, of the warcaft 3 games, they would knew they changed their names and left alliance, again, people are wanting something that never existed
it was not, it was a directly reflect to the elven campaign in warcraft 3, about losing their magic, trying to recover and leaving the alliance
the point is they are still sideckicks of someone else
oh well, so much to be an “alliance faction” and they got removed by the worgen? 
besides, you can still find high elves there, as far i can remember passing by
By your logic of numbers ingame, we could even argue that they simple die out 
they never showed up to fight for the alliance in the fourth war
they said the draenei are already too depleted of resources, only the light-forged helped more on what they could.
they only participate as night elves sideckicks to help some elves, blizzard shoddy writing shoving elves because they are elves everywhere.
They mostly show up by being neutral under someone else leadership, in neutral circumstances, like Argent tournament and suramar, the only time they indeed take part of the faction conflict was in Isle of thunder, when Jaina moved the kirin tor to act against the blood elves.
They not showing up in the fourth war further proves they are meaningless and not rly that much part of the alliance fantasy like people desperate want to be
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no they can’t, because by this nonsense reason, any race should be “split” up and the game would become a mess
population number is more or less the same, the only problem here is in the raiding scene, and its about racials, not about pretty elves.
The complaints would not stop, and not everyone would be happy. This is not a matter of delivering everything people cry for.
But it is not.
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Why can’t we just split all the races up then!
Yea no, this is stupid and Pandaren were a one off.
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From what I have read Blood elf is the number one horde race. That is not racials. It is what skews the population towards Horde.
Well, as you well-know I’ve thought of this quite a bit.
Many years had passed since the Dark portal closed, she had left behind many of the loved ones, and friends she had grown up with, including her tutors and family. So when the Dark portal finally reopened, and she had learned of Silvermoon’s near destruction, and the death of so many of her kind she was heartbroken and ridden with guilt that she was not there to help defend her home. And while she was eager to return and do her part, she was also angry with the Blood elves when she learned from the Alliance that they had thrown in their lot with Kael’thas after such a betrayal.
Although after seeing first hand the joint operation of the Shattered Sun Offensive to recapture the Sunwell from Kael’thas’ loyalists and the demons of the Burning Legion, she learned that what the alliance told her was not entirely the truth, and decided to accompany Auric Sunchaser to the Sunwell. There she learned of the many other trials the Blood elves had to endure, including their treatment at the hands of Garithos, and the betrayal of Dalaran.
Stirred by the words of Lady Liadrin’s sermon at the Sunwell, and seeing first-hand how they endured such a tragedy reignited her pride, and faith in her people, and decided then and there that she too would pledge herself to their cause, and do her part. She was not there when her home needed her once, and vowed to avenge all those who had been lost.
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I’m not a high elf supporter, I’m a void elf detractor. There’s a difference.
That’s fine, but people still use in-game population as an argument against high elves. My point is that it is a more effective against void elves, the ones that were actually added as a playable race because Ion likes rubbing the Alliance’s nose in it.
But it’s not, though. The Silver Covenant exists. The Allerian stronghold exists. We have been clearly shown elven culture divorced from the Horde. We just can’t play it.
That was never the point, but I won’t argue this point further if you won’t bother scrolling up to see what was being discussed.
Neither did the Vindicaar, the Ancients, the Jinyu, or any other multitude of Alliance aligned forces that should have shown up but didn’t. Doesn’t mean they stopped existing.
More conjecture. No explanation is ever given for the Vindicaar not taking action in the Fourth War besides “that’s not the plot we want to focus on right now.”
Meaningless to Blizzard and their preferred faction, maybe. Not meaningless to people that have played Alliance for 15 years, and Warcraft for many years before WoW ever existed.
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If people actually played Warcraft as much as they claim, they’d remember that Alleria’s eyes were originally stated to be green. …As a High Elf. Yet they have all this faux outrage over Blue eyes, despite green eyes being the first description of a prominent High Elf’s eye color.
It’s almost like Blood Elves / High Elves eyecolors were… variable and differed and the only real differences between the two camps was a political difference. One being traitors that stayed with the Alliance, and the other which followed King Anasterian’s command. I just want this topic to go away after 14 years.
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I think that was retconned and the eye colors became what they are today. Could be wrong.
I don’t care about eye colors. I care that Blizzard crapped on their own story to invent a lore-bending edgy race out of thin air to toss weakly at the Alliance rather than give them something requested for over a decade.
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Thank you for sharing that! I really like that background for a character :D. And I’m happy that you get to finally portray your characters as you envision it. I think that for most Blood Elves their primary loyalties lie with Silvermoon above else, and I think that makes even more interesting how some have put other loyalties above that; that’s what I overall like about the thalassian elves, they are the most politically and ideologically diverse of pretty much every race.
What will always feel like a missed opportunity to me is how we can only experience only a fraction of that complexity when it comes to choice, but that’s definitely an issue caused by the enforced binary of Horde/Alliance. IMO at the end a lot of the narrative is affected by what is ostensibly a gameplay decision.
I agree, it just always bothered me that many people felt that no High elf would have ever remained loyal to Silvermoon, even the ones that were not given the proper choice to decide like the rest. And as you know I’ve always fiercely defended this perspective, so it feels nice that I can actually apply it, and have it reflected with my character.
I hope in the future, races will no longer be tied to factions, that way players can have even more agency and say in their characters backgrounds and histories. But indead the Horde/Alliance binary is certainly in the way of that.
Agree, personally my issue with the opposite; all the people that will make the argument that “high elves are returning en masse” when the most likely scenario is that elves have been returning to QT since the Sunwell was reignited and it’s not a new thing, it was just unavailable.
Yup.
So essentially what I’ve been saying for quite some time now, despite meeting quite a bit of resistance on it. Which is why my arguments typically involved Auric, and the blue eyed blood elves, I’m just happy that it’s finally being reflected in-game.
You directed the reply @ my comment with a quote I’m not entirely sure how it relates / direct point you’re trying to make.
The logic I used was cannon lore, referenced in quests from Burning Crusade, Wrath of the Lich King, Mists of Pandaria (During Purge of Dalaran Questline) as well as Comics and Books.
So if your comment was directed at my reply and not a mistake — Then before you call Logic ‘Stupid’ please do your research, because otherwise the description would be fitting you better than what you aimed it at.
Is essentially answered by Fezzy:
It’s why the whole argument of people demanding that ‘High Elves’ AKA (For the majority) as ‘Blood Elves’ are Alliance, and they think they are a completely separate race with their unique lore, biology / racials and unique features. But they would just be duplicating a race that already stands who simply have differences of opinion. Let me propose an example of this difference:
- Much like the Pandaren. They’re the one race, but the side that followed the Alliance & ones who followed the Horde are two separate minded people, both politically and ideally - but by biologically & heritage terms, they are one and the same.
- People try use this as an underlying example of 'That’s why it can work! There’s a glimmer of hope that we Alliance can have High Elves! --Everything is there for the taking." but it’s not. For the Pandaren, they represent the lowest number of players within their own faction out of ALL races. Last number estimates show about 2.5%, per faction. Combined across all of WoW, roughly 1 in 20 plays a Pandaren, whereas Blood Elf numbers are the most populous among Horde races, having been roughly equal to Human numbers in Alliance for most of WoW since TBC.
Also, for or those that don’t know, Blizzard regrets doing Pandaren as a Neutral race, to the point that I can say we’ll likely never see another Neutral race. Since MoP, it’s basically impossible to write Pandaren lore now, because their forces are split faction, and we haven’t seen them do anything notable in WoW since MoP. Their identity is basically nothing.
Now whilst I’m showering against potential arguments, with this wall shattered I’m guessing players are going to state “Nightborne are just Night Elves, so we should get High Elves even if they’re just like Blood Elves!” but that’s not the case:
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Nightborne spent 10,000 years in arcane isolation from Night Elf society. They physically changed from the powers of the Nightwell, and their culture changed immensely from worship of Elune. They bear little cultural similarity to current day Night Elves.
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They are far more similar to the Blood Elves in that isolation around a magical font of power changed them drastically over time. Blood Elves originated as Highborne Night Elves that were cast out for continuing to practice in the arcane. This doubles as a lore reason as to why they find allies in the Horde through the Blood Elves, as they can empathize with their plight.
That my horned friend is where we agree with one another.
Oh yeh I was not talking about your argument itself, but I don’t think Auric himself is a good example since if anything, he’s there to represent neutrality, not rejoining the Blood Elves politically. It’s inevitable that some of the High Elves that were allowed in Quel’danas because of Auric would choose to stay and rejoin, but Auric’s position as a HE representative is meant to portray that all elves are allowed to pilgrimage to the Sunwell, regardless of faction -just like Alleria was-
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