Why do blue eyes matter so much? Seriously though why the rage?

I checked, you’re right they are under the Alliance Vanguard. I also saw how the Sin’dorei forces are known as the High Elven forces in the same entry though. That I found more interesting.

They are still mainly stationed in Dalaran and we actually can account for majority of their members.

You also side stepped my main question, what prevents those who chose not to follow Prince Kael’thas from returning to Quel’thalas?

The Silver Covenant are probably the only faction of High Elves (cause if we´re really applied to the lore, we have to understand High Elves as a biological race are a diaspora of individuals separated by political ideologies and/or geographical living tastes (ergo the High Elves living on Stormwind live there cause they want to and probably don´t give a f over Quel´thalas) that would be incinerated on sight in Silvermoon after the stunt they pulled on MoP. Dear Veeresa proved her status as exilee was a deserving one.

In truth there was a couple of people on this forum who made the same accusations that we were the racists for not wanting void elves to get a high elf skin color. :crazy_face:
Also saw helfers claim they were insulted by being accused of racism by Ion when ‘if you want blond hair blue eye elf the Horde is there for you’.

This topic has made some people go off the deep end.

Exactly and a small force.

They do not speak for all the Quel’dorei who chose not to follow the prince.

Who is dead now.

There is a restored Sunwell.

What would keep them from returning? If anything some of the Silver Covenant elves probably returned themselves.

EDIT: Keep in mind Vareesa chose a human over her people.

Man if we´re even more applied to the lore, priest and paladin “High Elf” Alliance NPCs should develop golden eyes too (I mean, the living distance from the Sunwell is literally IRRELEVANT in regards to the pull and influence that disgusting fount has on the race -and the race AS A WHOLE… unless some dev comes out and tells us Alliance High elf NP^Cs are locked out from the Sunwell, lore says they´re pretty much still tied to it -also proved by Lor´s short story, the Alleria scenario, Quel´Delar questchain, etc.-).

If this whole debacle was good for something, that was to expose the hypocrites in the Helfer crowd (fortunately not all, but just some few very vocal ones).

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And what ideological difference do they have, now that the Sunwell is restored and the prince is dethroned?

I said they shared the same model. You’re going to shift the goal post to models AND textures?

Fair.

Not what I said.

I’ll need you to define ‘model’, then, because your usage of it has been inconsistent.

I’ve admitted to speaking for Alliance players because it’s clear there are players who are not hearing what they’re trying to say. So I’ll say this: I try to speak only for myself where I can, but I’m confident there are Alliance players who think I understand them better than your side does.

Don’t be a pedant. I don’t want to play a High Elf.

Sure, but the deliberate choice to let her retain her High Elven appearance only reinforces their Alliance connection, instead of doing the opposite.

I haven’t been making claims I can’t prove.

There are six instances of “high” in the article of you use ctrl-f. The article does not associate the high elves with blood elfs except the line saying that the Silver Covenant rejects the admission of blood elves into the Alliance.

I didn’t side-step it. I chose not to answer it until those other facts were straightened out. Nothing is stopping any High Elf from becoming a Blood Elf, or for Lor’themar to allow them in Silvermoon. That hasn’t happened yet, thoug he has attempted unification before. You can check it out in the short story “In the Shadow of the Sun”

They very well may be. But the claim was that they are NOT part of the Alliance, not a question of quantity.

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Did you read what I posted or are you still so inmersed on your “victim complex” stage you can´t even perceive what other people tells you?

Frankly man, for a higher quality lore, Helf fans should prefer to excise any bigger relevance of the Silver Covenant from their future development (cause sorry but that particular faction of Helves has been beaten quite harshly with the idiotic, useless and hypocritical bat). Veeresa was literally the least excusable Helf character to have sit and ignore the whole post Arthas debacle in Quel´thalas simply by the fact her hubby was the most disgusting self insert Gary Stu ever seen since Med´an. Worse of all, thanks to Knaaks´novel she literally sports the title as “most clueless prejudiced racist character ever”… at least Garithos had a reason to blame a whole race, but her? /rofl

And I acquiesced and made my point clearer.

So yes, you can answer it now.

I get what Vareesa and perhaps a few of her followers, being exiled, would not fold in to Quel’Thalas. The High Elven kingom again and would join with the humans, especially since she loved one, what about the vast majority of others?

They mainly protested turning to demonic corruption and following the Prince to Outlands.

What are you on about? I’m just describing the specific claim Baladar made that I was providing contrary evidence for. I read your post. Relax.

And I answered it.

Alliance got the model, as a Void Elf.

High Elves are Horde. Just renamed people.

Also, why would you expect Blizzard to add the exact same race to Alliance side that Horde already has?

If anything, you’re asking to take away possible character customization for the Blood Elves.

I understand that a few scattered High Elves are around the Alliance, but they are just Blood Elves that didn’t take up the new name.

Play Horde if you want the story of High Elves, because Blood Elves are it. “But I don’t like Horde, they are evil and icky!” Too bad.

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I quite doubt it, especially cause you insist on defending an undefendible behaviour (that is, the one from people qqing for a cosmetic customization made on a race that´s not their bussiness).

Hilarious when we consider he plays a Forsaken… literally the cartoon villains of wow as of BfA.

Okay, so you answered it.

Are the Quel’dorei a part of the Quel’thalas? or not? They are Sin’dorei if so.

“Later, the Silver Covenant, together with the Sentinels and the Quel’Thalassian force, participated in the Nightfallen rebellion.).”

From the wiki the Sin’dorei are known as the High Elven forces which just puts the Silver Covenant against being “high elven” except by name and “race” only.

The Silver Covenant is a singular force of High elves, but that does not mean they are the majority, or speak for the other High elves who live as outcasts, or as neutral citizens. We have to remember that according to lore high elves are not treated very nicely by the modern Alliance, that many still hold grudges for their choices in the past. Night elves are largely to blame for this, as they actively spread distrust among the others races by making their role in the war of the ancients public knowledge. Some Night elves are even said to be openly hostile toward them.

It’s also important to point out that the High elves found at the Allerian Stronghold were not present during the original splintering of the elves, and were not given the proper choice as to who they would follow when the time came. Which is why it’s interesting that their leader Auric Sunchaser now resides permanently at the Sunwell, and refers to all thalassian elves as Children of Silvermoon.

There are many other occasions that we see High elves and Blood elves getting along, and working together, and yes there are even High elves who are hostile toward the alliance and acknowledge the Horde as their allies. So if the question being asked is “Why would high elves return to Quel’thalas” you have plenty of perfectly rational explanations to choose from.

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the SC is not a part of the alliance. they are pro alliance but not a part of it. because their allegiance is to dalaran a neutral state. their few appearances have always been in the context of kirin tor representatives lending aid during an existential threat

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I don’t know.

Where the article has the line ‘Quel’thalassian’ and it likes to “Quel’thalas (Kingdom)”, “High Elves” are listed as former occupants.

This seems like just unclear writing. I don’t know if we have a source that indicates the Quel’dorei still occupy Quel’thalas. We know they occupied that lodge in EPL, though, until they didn’t.

Yes they are. Check the wiki.

Exactly, I 100% agree with this. Frankly, the only sect that wouldn´t rejoin the Quel´thalas government should be the Silver Covenant (though me remembers “War Crimes” when Veeresa contemplated rolling Horde cause temper tantrum, LMFAO); after all they are the ones that have actively and violently fought the Belves at every chance they have gotten.

I insist: a cosmetic customization option is pretty minor in regards to the lore directions this game can take (heck, after BfA if we can say something is that EVERYTHING is possible in the lore; downright to copy-paste previous expacs´narratives and all!!)

One could say SC is slightly anti-Belf (Veeresa´s remark about the Belves needing to “redeem themselves” was her usual brand of ignorance and entlitement) but more properly anti-horde ; which frankly is worse in regards to them wanting to return to Quel´thalas anytime soon.

I don´t see Lor´themar pulling out the Belves right now, if anything the guy got more political relevance in the faction.

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You can be a Fel Elf with blue eyes. Maybe.

You’re going to back peddle? You said they wouldn’t look phsysilogically any different from blood elves at all and the only difference is political which makes ALL the difference.

Perhaps you could clarify then, cause if a race is working and helping the horde, does that not make them politically aligned?

Fair. Not the EXACT same model, the base model it was made off of is the same, yes.

So you’re trying to be some hero of the people or something? I’m sure those people can speak for themselves and be heard if they want to be.

No doubt, I’m sure they do. But if you want to say you can speak on their behalf to push your argument without any validation, I’m just going to start saying every opinion I have, everyone in the horde has as well and I can say it like that because I’m confident there are horde players who think I understand them better than your side does.

Sorry. You should say “I want high elves on the alliance” then.

I really don’t think you can say that helps prove or disprove anything, though. That’s like saying since graymane can turn back into a human that strictly humans of Gilneas should be a playable alliance race that aren’t worgens at all.

they are neutral. they had every opportunity to follow jaina back to the alliance during legion. they didnt. they chose to put dalaran first and were absent during the fourth war. no dalaran, no SC

they are a very small militia that operates in dalaran. therefore they are expected to conduct their manners in a neutral manner. they simply cannot attack the horde and run back to dalaran. im sure you are smart enough to figure out the implication if they did

they really are just what they appear to be, political refugees pining around dalaran waiting for their people to leave the horde

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