Don’t play the game if having to utilize PVP solutions pisses you off that much.
I love Classic with all of its warts. Especially its warts. Leave worgen
Again with the inability to face reality.
Blizzard have already said DHKs will be there. The status quo is DHKs, and you’re yet to come up with a cohesive and not demolished reason that they need to take them out. The burden of proof lies with you. Insulting people who point out reality to you does no-one any benefit.
If World PVP is too hard, maybe roll on an RP server.
-Lobbyist for a mechanic that absolves him of having to utilize PVP to solve issues.
PvP is the name of the game
They are not “in” until phase whatever. If they are never put “in” then there is no need to take them out.
Well, if someone thinks that world PVP is broken and there are mechanics that destroy the experience, they can still roll PVE and sign up for Battlegrounds.
-Lobbyist for a mechanic that absolves him of having to utilize PVP to solve issues.
They are in the Content Phase Plan, because they were in Vanilla at 1.12 in 2006, AND because Blizzard already said so.
You have to prove a need for them to remove them, since your advocating for the historical inaccuracy of the Medieval Knight in Polyester.
Loot trading in non raid was also in the plan.
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Sure. And people gave a compelling reason to make it more like Vanilla. You’re flailing around trying to stretch to a flimsy reason to make it less like Vanilla.
The argument “lets make it less like Vanilla” is only one Blizzard can play.
Not all changes are equal, or driven by the same party.
It’s whatever, dhks suck and fail at their intended purpose BUT they were in vanilla, and I feel much more comfortable leaving something useless in the game than adding something potentially more damaging. DHKs are here to stay, from a DHk removal supporter.
I don’t disagree that they’re ineffective, but the closest thing to a cohesive argument that people have raised above, is that they stifle World PVP.
Which… well… that was kinda half the point of them, so they were effective in some ways. Just not targetted enough.
But yeah, they were in Vanilla at 1.12 in 2006, Blizzard already said so, and no-one has given a compelling reason why they need to be removed.
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My guy, you have beaten this same argument into the ground.
Sadly, it’s not one you should be championing.
DHKs are not a bug, and do in-fact deter some, but by no means all, Quest grieving (Those who would camp quest-NPCs).
In addition, the DHK system was partially gimped when the Outlaw system did not make its way into release, which could arguably fix what you claim to be ‘broken’ with DHKs if implemented. How, you ask on bated breath? The person racking up all of these DHKs would eventually become hated by even their own faction! So while they may be able to grief a small set of players, the problem would self-correct. HOWEVER, I do not believe the outlaw system even has a crumbs chance of making it to the dinner table.
The complaint for removing DHKs has revolved around ranking and the Honor system. This would, in turn, be a QoL change. Why, you might ask? Because you no longer have to be precise when attacking the enemy faction in their otherwise normally safe zones (I.e., city raid), allowing groups to AoE farm honor without consequence, IN ADDITION to hampering the gameplay of those attempting to quest in those regions. If only there was a way to gain honor for ranks without WPvP… Oh yes, BGs. Did you know BGs were introduced with DHKs? As a means of acknowledging the hard work it takes to make R14, you have an instanced location where you will not get a single DHK, but can accumulate all of the Honor your heart desires (or the week allows).
“But I want a BATTLEFIELD, like a WAR”
Me too #AV1.5-1.10
If you stopped to think about the game as a cohesive unit, you may be able to see the logic behind these old systems. Not everyone is going for R14. Not everyone is even vying for R10. To remove a feature for the sole purpose of making the way you play the game “more enjoyable” is selfish and, dare I say, a sign of entitlement.
Congratulations on repeating what has been repeated over and over without actually reading anything.
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I gank people and grief people on a daily basis, I don’t think I’ve ever had more than 2 dishonorable kills on one toon in my life. That is evidence to me that it is not even partially effective… civilians aren’t even something I look out for either.
It is also indicative of the existing system not being that bad… DHKs will be in classic and that’s not a big deal at all.
Yeah, how dare people try to enjoy a game!
Pheonixdown, was your post satire/sarcasm? If so, I applaud you. I haven’t laughed that much in a long time.
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As someone who played vanilla and pvp’d to rank 11. I do remember hating DHKs. And hating that I couldn’t bring myself to join a city raid for fear of getting them and hurting my rank. Once the honor system is implemented and bgs are out, I feel like city raiding will die more than it should. City raiding is epic and should be encouraged, not hindered.
I do understand that griefing quest givers could become MORE of a problem. If there is no penalty, why wouldn’t I kill a civilian I happen to run by and know would piss off the other faction. But there are always options to stop the grief, which would enhance community, such as asking guild to help, or jumping on your main, or questing somewhere you haven’t been to yet.
In the end, I’d prefer no DHK. I’m also the type of person that in StarCraft 1 would reset my entire account if I got a disconnect on my record. Can’t stand imperfections and an unintentional DHK would trigger me.
Edit: I would like to add that I don’t believe authenticity would be impacted here, as the OP said, DHKs were added in patch 1.5. Though it’s probably not worth getting into exactly what kind of authentic experience Blizzard is trying to create (day 1 authenticity, progressive, 1.12, some key patches in between?, etc). That debate is already going on with AV authenticity.
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Do people just comment in a thread without reading the very first post?
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Do people just decide that the 498 posts between the top one and the bottom one haven’t thoroughly destroyed the claims made in the top one?
The OP’s post is not a compelling reason to remove DHKs. For evidence, go read the rest of the 498 posts.