Canon comic.
The Ashbringer series.
Again, just because he looked at something, doesn’t mean he was the writer. He forgot what Eredar were at the first expansion.
When did you start playing?
Vanilla.
Just because he forgot something doesn’t mean he has no input in the story that he himself invented.
In short, I didn’t. They did N’zoth real dirty though. Problems I have though is it is apparent that the Horde had the better story by a long way. I mean why were the Alliance even in Uldir? Brann just rocks up? Cool tie in. Sylvanas being 11 steps ahead of everyone was so incredibly boring. I hate, LOATHE overpowered characters. Malfurion should have ended her easily… im getting annoyed so I shall stop lol.
That being said I love Drustvar, I freaking loved the vibe there. Spooky and old pagan. Horde got the short end of the stick with settings. Alliance zones > Horde zones.
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Tyrande and Jaina are OP too but seems there is no complaints.
I hated the Zandalari questing and the dead end faction war Garrosh repeat too.
Jaina was a stretch, but Tyrande made sense. She’s the champion of the most powerful being we’ve seen in the story so far AND got a power-boost.
You want to talk about plot armor in BfA, let’s talk about Nathanos.
You hate Horde characters we already know that. You don’t attack Thrall and Baine since they have no power for you the only good Hordie is a helpless Hordie. And Jaina walking off her raid fight with no injuries was an insult to all raiders out there.
OP is OP, whether it “makes sense” or not.
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The question wasn’t if we personally think some characters have plot armor or not.
I’d just said Jaina was a stretch, meaning there’s a valid point to accuse her of plot armor.
I also have no problem with Horde characters that have powers, such as Talanji or Thalyssra. And I was glad Thrall regained his Shamanic powers in Shadowlands.
The entire alliance leadership has plot armor. Why do you think Varian is your only casualty so far.
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Fair enough. More Horde leaders have died.
- Garrosh
- Rastakhan
- Cairne
- Vol’jin
- Kael’thas
I’m not counting Sylvanas, since she was resurrected twice and is currently still around.
To make it even, which four Alliance leaders would you kill off if you could?
There is more
Nazgrim
Zaela
Rezan
Krenna
Lathos
Areiel
Dranosh
Varok
Broxigar
Malkorok
More then half of the First desolate council.
And that isn’t even the original Horde, a friendly reminder the second war veterans of the blue team joined again after Legion.
And I do count Gallywix and Sylvanas too since they are essentially exiled and No longer aligned to the Horde. Communist labor unionist Gazlowe is a bad vibe.
None. I don’t want to kill alliance leaders. It would be enough to bring ours of old back or at least have their next family member take over. It’s painful to see a noname like Gorgonna leading the Warsong Clan now.
The OP heroes of you are the main reason why the alliance is usually the main focus of over the top cinematics.
Not sure I’d count Broxigar, but otherwise I see your point. Though, aren’t we talking about ones who were killed off? And Gallywix left the Horde, he wasn’t driven out. And what’s this about Gazlowe being communist?
There are more wielders of supernatural power leading the Alliance regarding the racial leaders (nearly all of them except Geblin, Wildhammer and maybe Genn).
To make Gazlowe the one sole Goblin who isn’t a greedy dystopian capitalist they gave him noble human features and politics towards his crew that are essentially the demands of worker rights activists. Every other Goblin leader we have met so far is closer to Gallywix in cutthroat business practises.
While I see why you don’t like how different they made Gazlowe, I don’t see that as him being communist. And I’m no communist myself.
Extra free time between shifts. Paid leave days. Full mortage payment to families. Alcohol at work. All of those started as demands from communist parties in different countries. And it contradicts all of Goblin society.
As a communist, thanks for admitting the history of labor rights.
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I can’t say anything I’d add to this conversation is exactly new. We all rehashed these same points at one point or another over the last 5 years or so. Something I haven’t exactly seen is how BFA as an expansion hit at the core of Warcraft and in doing so shattered its structural stability and base. That core is the old world.
A lot of us either played in Classic, leveled up in Classic, experienced Cata, leveled up through Cata, and those were formative moments. There are the times most who care about the story dove into the characters they played, the world they experienced, and developed identity. We knew what it meant to be an orc, to be a Forsaken, a dwarf, a night elf and while we’ve had rocky stints here and there (orcs being naturally violent and genocidal, Forsaken as cackling mad scientists, night elves sudden amnesia and lack of senses in their own forests, a 10,000 year old priestess less patient than a 35 year old warrior king, etc) nothing attacked the foundation of what we and the world were.
BFA lost two beloved cities and zones, fought in two completely forgettable cata zones yet are actually hugely important geo-political areas, factions fought everywhere according to the mission tables, conscription ran high and scarped the bottom of the barrel, we interacted with almost every racial leader and people, recruited two well established old world nations, and ended up at the doors of Orgrimmar, again. All of this happens in and around the core fantasy old world and has long reaching ramifications, as we see.
Compare this to almost equally as bad Shadowlands and we get to forget about it all happening once the expansion is over. Nothing really touched the old world except for the pre-patch and the seemingly forgotten narrative piece that the former Scourge are running rampant. Compare it to WoD - we left everything behind minus Gul’dan and later the Mag’har. All of the complaints (mostly mechanical) are dropped and ignored 2 years later. We got to learn some cool new stuff about our Outland friends, but nothing really touched the old world or our core fantasy. Dragonflight will be largely similar - forgotten despite the overall praise.
Until they do a Cata scale revamp, be it all at once or piecemeal like they say they’re doing, the core structure is compromised. Things like the Orc heritage quests, reclaiming Undercity, rebuilding local and regional threats like the Scarlets and Defias, are all part of it, but it must continue on a grander scale.
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The Orc heritage was lame. It just showed us the Orcs as their weakest ever. All the original cheiftain blood lines are dead and replaced with one time wotlk quest givers. There isn’t a single Horde race left that wasn’t abused by Blizzard by now and it shows.