Why did we get Vulpera over Ogres?

[Nillah-uldaman (Nillah)]

No. They don’t. The Faithless are just non-corrupted Eredar. They even have the Triad with everyone but the priest dead. One died off screen, one is killed. Umbric and Halford state they’re eager to work with them.

The Sethrak are the allied race the alliance deserves.

[Shadina-gorefiend (Shadina)]

Why are we on allied race #5 with not a hint of Ogres?

Because Allied Races will become available when the story calls for them. Ogres have had nothing to do in the current narrative for quite some time. WoD ogres wouldn’t make much sense given you’re talking about ogres allied with the Horde like the ones in Dustwallow and Feralas. And we haven’t had any interaction with them since Cataclysm.

When ogres become a focal point in the narrative again and have something to do with the Horde pushing against something, asking for them will make sense. For now, it doesn’t.

[Veloran-wyrmrest-accord (Veloran)]

Gilneans gave up their humanity to become Worgen.

As the Gilnean heritage quest attests, they’re Humans in spite of the Worgen curse. Being Gilnean is what defines them, not being Worgen.

But by that logic, Forsaken are just a human allied race because they’re former humans from Lordaeron.

Which is exactly why people say that Light Undead would be the “Human” allied race.

They’re not savage or beastly like the Worgen. Let it rest.

They’re literally half-giants.

Sethrak, they fit the ruthlessness of Worgen, and they’re also very similar to Draenei.

The Sethrak aren’t all that ruthless and aren’t similar to the Draenei at all outside of having had three leaders in the past. They also have practically no ties to the Alliance and every reason to join the Horde given that the Horde helped them immensely in the questing and their close neighbors are the Zandalari, who they share worship of their Loa with.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

And what did the Drust do? They murdered the humans.

Sorry, not all of them. Only the ones who followed Gorak’tul. Also: I don’t remember all of the Vrykul from Legion murdering everyone. Just sayin’.

So few of them defected that they intermingled and disappeared. Ulfar is the only one left.

And yet that could have been different… which was my entire point of saying:

All Blizz had to do was keep those ones alive.

We don’t need a bunch of idiotic raiders that fit more on the Horde, on the Alliance.

… what are you even talking about?

Kul Tirans are much more rich in lore

Except they’re not. Randomly taller than Nelf humans with zero reason as to why is just dumb when we could have had an actual interesting race with a lot of lore.

Blizz specifically stated in a Q&A:

The playable Kul Tiran use the fat body type. They are not intended to be a separate race, they are simply variants on Kul Tirans made because Blizzard wanted bigger and smaller models to fit the various NPC roles and add more flavor to the world. They are not biologically different from other humans.

Alliance needs a victim narrative, otherwise they have nothing to complain about.

Oh good lord, you just need to stop. Horde whines just as much.

[Symbioserous-tanaris (Symbioserous)]

No one is getting ogres as an allied race cause players will start fat shaming them and asking for skinny versions lol.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

While ALL Worgen are Gilneans, not ALL Gilneans are Worgen. I feel like people conveniently forget that; as well as the fact that Gilneans did not choose to be cursed (they were essentially given a “cure” that allowed them to reclaim their sanity). Tess (THEIR next ruler) just rejected the Worgen curse. Lorna Crowley also has not accepted the Worgen Curse. Mia Greymane does not have the Worgen Curse. There are TONS of Gilnean citizens that ARE NOT Worgen, and Genn is still their King (and Tess is still their future ruler).

What it sounds like is you just want Sethrak … and thus the Kul Tirans CANNOT possibly be the intended GILNEAN AR.

Kul Tirans aren’t the Worgen AR. Despite your delusions. I have no desire of entertaining you any more.

Kul-Tirans(Humans)-Zandalari(Trolls)
Dark Iron(Dwarves)-Mag’har(Orcs)
Void Elves(Night Elves)-Nightborne(Blood Elves)
Lightforged(Draenei)-Highmountain(Tauren)
Mechagnomes(Gnomes)-Vulpera(Goblins)
Worgen(Sethrak?)-Undead(Who knows at this point).

The Sethrak are the allied race the alliance deserves.

I like all of our allied races, but I’d kill for the snakemen. I want that Egyptian flavor.

As the Gilnean heritage quest attests, they’re Humans in spite of the Worgen curse. Being Gilnean is what defines them, not being Worgen.

Except we can’t play GIlnean humans can we. We can only play Worgen who come from GIlneas.

Which is exactly why people say that Light Undead would be the “Human” allied race.

Calia is leading the undead on the Horde now. Sorry, but that theory has died in its cradle. Cue the kazoos!

They’re literally half-giants.

No? We’re just big humans, Blizzard has said as such.

The Sethrak aren’t all that ruthless and aren’t similar to the Draenei at all outside of having had three leaders in the past. They also have practically no ties to the Alliance and every reason to join the Horde given that the Horde helped them immensely in the questing and their close neighbors are the Zandalari, who they share worship of their Loa with.

Said the increasingly nervous man for the 500th time this year. They didn’t show up in the Zandalari heritage quest, weren’t mentioned by Gonk. They raided and killed a bunch of people in Zandalar. Halford and Umbric express a great interest in them, and are working with them.

Sorry, not all of them. Only the ones who followed Gorak’tul. Also: I don’t remember all of the Vrykul from Legion murdering everyone. Just sayin’.

Probably because the Legion is right next door, and you can’t murder and plunder while dead.

And yet that could have been different… which was my entire point of saying:

And? We can argue about Hypotheticals all day. Large island sea worshippers > DUDE, VIKINGS!

Except they’re not. Randomly taller than Nelf humans with zero reason as to why is just dumb when we could have had an actual interesting race with a lot of lore.

We’re interesting, Kul Tiras is stuffed with lore. Just eat it. Stupid vikings: 0, Sea-powered english sailors: 1.

Oh good lord, you just need to stop. Horde whines just as much.

No they don’t. Not even close.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

And?

And my entire point was we could have gotten a race people asked for instead of just randomly big humans. That’s the “and.”

Kul Tiras is stuffed with lore.

Vrykul existed for a lot longer than KT. And it would have made so much more sense to have the original Drust druids and shamans instead of this poorly shoehorned reasoning for humans to be those classes.

Just eat it.

Right. Not enough maturity to have a normal discussion and would rather spout obnoxious insults. Done with you.

[Nillah-uldaman (Nillah)]

I like all of our allied races, but I’d kill for the snakemen. I want that Egyptian flavor.

No kidding. They’re at the top of my Wanted list with the high arakkoa.

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

So in essence. They cant possibly be cuz you dont want them to be.

You believe that the Worgen AR will be Sethrak, despite absolutely ZERO relations between the two races thus far (and the Sethrak currently living on the same Kingdom as the two Horde allies). And considering Genn and the Worgen are one of the more … anti Horde Alliance groups atm, I’m sure the Sethrak joining up with the Alliance while the Zandalari and Vulpera grow ever closer to the Horde wont end poorly for them at all lol!

But hey, my Delusions am I right? The Kul Tirans cannot POSSIBLY be the AR for the Gilneans despite their shared lineage; Genn’s role on Kul Tiras; and the fact that only a percentage of the Gilnean population are Werewolves (and their next queen is remaining Human).

[Yzzami-nesingwary (Yzzami)]

Why did we get Highmountain over Taunka. Blizzard can’t even remember their own quests

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

And my entire point was we could have gotten a race people asked for instead of just randomly big humans. That’s the “and.”

People asked for Kul Tirans. As it turns out, they had more lore and were meant rather than a bunch of savage vikings that wouldn’t fit on the Alliance.

Vrykul existed for a lot longer than KT.

And what was their lore for all that time? “HEIGAN DEIGAN, IMMA VIKIN I BE A PLUNDERIN FER ODYN GARRGH TO NOT-VALHALLA!”

“FOR O-I MEAN THE LICH KING!”

shamans

The drust were never shamans. The Vrykul were never shamans.

Right. Not enough maturity to have a normal discussion and would rather spout obnoxious insults. Done with you.

Yeah, and I’m done with you. Complaining about things that are sealed, done and irreversable. If you want Vrykul, ask for them in your own thread. Don’t complain about an awesome addition because you didn’t get what you wanted.

But hey, my Delusions am I right? The Kul Tirans cannot POSSIBLE by the AR for the Gilneans despite their shared lineage; Genn’s role on Kul Tiras; and the fact that only a percentage of the Gilnean population are Werewolves (and their next queen is remaining Human).

Whatever keeps you afloat. Pray tell, what would the human allied race be? More humans? When we already got a human allied race?

Why did we get Highmountain over Taunka. Blizzard can’t even remember their own quests

Because Candian Moose > Some tauren with bison masks that never accomplished anything?

Their lore boils down to a few questlines in Borean Tundra and Dragonblight. They’re like mimiron gnomes. Flavor Npcs.

[Thehollow-shattered-halls (Thehollow)]

Im still confused. The ap for alliance were pretty good. Horde i like 4 of them. I so want a nightbourne. The animations need fixing bad. The customization for them is horrible. The rest are pretty good.
Alliance side

1. I have 5 iron drawfs
2. 3 light forge
3. 2 void elfs funny ones a warrior and the other a lock. a very fun lock.
4. Kt so far i have two. A rogue sense we have no sailor class. shaman

Horde

1. 4 mag har
2. 3 trolls
3. 1 mountain. for life of me i can not see any other class for them but shaman.
4. 4 nightbourne. i still have hope.
   all these are in the 100+ area. all seem good to me.

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

Well if I had to hazard a guess at Calia’s first words to Voss being just about the most out of the loop thing she could have said (seriously, how out of touch can you be to reminisce about Benedictus Voss with Lillian friggen Voss as an introduction)?; I’d guess some form of Calia & Faol Brand of Undead (as they would be citizens of Lordaeron, and thus CURSED Humans).

I still highly doubt she’s getting settup as the FORSAKEN leader.

[Veloran-wyrmrest-accord (Veloran)]

I want that Egyptian flavor.

They’re not Egyptian.

Except we can’t play GIlnean humans can we.

Except, you can and do. In the story, they’re Gilnean before being Worgen. As a race they’re not about throwing away their humanity to become bestial, they’re about holding on to their humanity in spite of their curse.

And the Sethrak have zero commonality with the Worgen at all. Not a similar culture, not a similar story, no involvement with each other.

Calia is leading the undead on the Horde now.

Except she isn’t. She’s had like one talk with Voss, we don’t know if she’s going to lead the Forsaken or lead a group of them away from the Forsaken. Hell even if she does become the Forsaken leader, if she were to introduce a Light Undead AR to the Horde the principle would be the same.

No?

Yes, they’re descendants of the Humans and Drust interbreeding.

Said the increasingly nervous man for the 500th time this year.

Why would anyone be “increasingly nervous” when there’s been zero indication of Alliance Sethrak for the last year?

They didn’t show up in the Zandalari heritage quest, weren’t mentioned by Gonk. They raided and killed a bunch of people in Zandalar. Halford and Umbric express a great interest in them, and are working with them.

Again, the Horde has huge involvement with them in Vol’dun, helping them to unseat their mad emperor, defeat his Faithless forces, and restore their god. They’re on extremely good terms.

[Fezzy-draenor (Fezzy)]

I’d imagine horde would end up with mok’nathal before ogres.
(sry if this has been said already)

[Veloran-wyrmrest-accord (Veloran)]

I also think this is the case. Rexxar uses a modified Kul Tiran rig, which isn’t used by any other race, so we already basically know what the Mok’nathal would look like. Hopefully they fix the female model up a bit though.

[Ulendur-moon-guard]

Ogres will be a core race not an allied race likely.

[Rhielle-sentinels (Rhielle)]

Oh I’ll bite one more time for this travesty you posted…

People asked for Kul Tirans.

People asked for Vrykul, as well. Moot point.

And what was their lore for all that time? “HEIGAN DEIGAN, IMMA VIKIN I BE A PLUNDERIN FER ODYN GARRGH TO NOT-VALHALLA!”

Proof positive that you know absolutely zero about their lore and just made yourself look uninformed.

The drust were never shamans. The Vrykul were never shamans.

The humans were never shamans. So you have no point here. And the Vrykul have been seen wielding shamanistic magic. So that’s incorrect.

Complaining about things that are sealed, done and irreversable.

And yet I wasn’t complaining… I was merely throwing out random examples of other questions we could ask based off of the OP’s title. You’re the one that got bent out of shape and flipped out.

If you want Vrykul, ask for them in your own thread.

Hilarious. This isn’t even your thread. And people have been talking about different races and what we got vs what we didn’t get throughout the entire thread.

It’s also ironic that you got all bent out of shape over this whole “Alliance needs to whine” when this was a Horde whining thread.

Don’t complain about an awesome addition because you didn’t get what you wanted.

1. Subjective that it’s awesome.
2. I play KT.
3. I never once said it’s what I wanted. But I do believe they would have made more sense.

Here, do some reading on the vast amount of history behind the Vrykul, because your precious race wouldn’t even exist without them: https://wow.gamepedia.com/Vrykul

I’d suggest backing off on that unwarranted toxic attitude you’re giving off towards people. You’ve managed to twist a lot of things to fit your own narrative just so that you could be venomous towards others.

[Konkka-wyrmrest-accord]

Well if I had to hazard a guess at Calia’s first words to Voss being just about the most out of the loop thing she could have said (seriously, how out of touch can you be to reminisce about Benedictus Voss with Lillian friggen Voss as an introduction)?; I’d guess some form of Calia & Faol Brand of Undead (as they would be citizens of Lordaeron, and thus CURSED Humans).

I still highly doubt she’s getting settup as the FORSAKEN leader.

They literally ask her to lead them.

They’re not Egyptian.

Yeah, and neither are tomb kings.

Except, you can and do. In the story, they’re Gilnean before being Worgen. As a race they’re not about throwing away their humanity to become bestial, they’re about holding on to their humanity in spite of their curse.

Except alot of them gladly embrace that bestial side.

And the Sethrak have zero commonality with the Worgen at all. Not a similar culture, not a similar story, no involvement with each other.

That’s just what you want to believe. Goblins don’t share anything with Vulpera, beyond a skeleton

Except she isn’t. She’s had like one talk with Voss, we don’t know if she’s going to lead the Forsaken or lead a group of them away from the Forsaken. Hell even if she does become the Forsaken leader, if she were to introduce a Light Undead AR to the Horde the principle would be the same.

They literally ask her to lead the forsaken.

Yes, they’re descendants of the Humans and Drust interbreeding.

Word of Blizz says no.

Again, the Horde has huge involvement with them in Vol’dun, helping them to unseat their mad emperor, defeat his Faithless forces, and restore their god. They’re on extremely good terms.

Killing the faithless, who have families and loved ones, tends to make them dislike you. Considering Sethraliss is back, and Vorrik leads the Sethrak once more. I highly doubt they’re going to genocide the Faithless. Don’t expect them to cuddle up to the murderers of their mothers, fathers, wives and children.

[Droité-tanaris (Droité)]

No, what Voss says is that she will represent them in the interim, but she believes there is another that COULD lead them better down the road.

This is stemming from her belief that Calia could do for the other Forsaken what she did for Derek. What she FAILS to realize is that Calia and Derek’s experiences with Undeath is in no way reflective of the experiences of the Forsaken. Derek didn’t even know undead could exist before he became one, Calia abandoned her people for 15 years while she put herself into a self-imposed exile (one apparently thorough enough for her not to understand what High Cleric Benedictus Voss of the Scarlet Crusade represents to the Forsaken and Voss herself).

Long story short, I expect a split in the Undead. Those that will follow Calia, and those that will reject her. Those that still wish to reclaim their identities in life, and those that have moved on from those identities (and those in the middle, who will need to make a choice). Calia is so antithetical to the Forsaken Racial Fantasy that the idea that both she and her boytoy Derek are being settup to LEAD the “Forsaken” is downright absurd to me. Despite being dead, she could not BE more human; and despite not officially being Alliance, nothing could be MORE Alliance than a Menethil.