Being ranged is an advantage for sure, some fights are painful as triple melee.
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Yeah it does make me wonder.
BFA was like WHAM… “its HARD” and a lot of people who loved Legion dungeons quit.
Those dungeons were such a shock to most of us, and on top of everything else they kinda sucked imho… mob density was ridiculous imho.
Blizzard isn’t totally sure what kind of game they are trying to make.
sorry my bad <3 and i could not tell you how ez frost is i play unholy and blood. but 10s did look like an ok challenge for the rewards.
BfA was still way easier than some Legion affix combos
Teeming Explosive Fortified. Hello???
Your argument is that there are almost as many people playing M+ in the first month of TWW than in the first 3 months of S4 of DF and about half as many as the first 6 months of S3. You also posted the percentage of players achieving KSM as a proportion of the total player base from these same seasons as a comparison.
And then you said “see, its not just elites”
Except, again, you can’t make this argument because of these reasons, I will list them for you:
- These seasons existed in different parts of the life cycle of an expansion
- These total number of keys and KSM %'s are not standardized and, therefore, cannot be compared. You could compare them if rate was consistent during a season but it is not.
- You don’t know the total pop of the player base and if the % of players playing M+ has risen or fallen. You are assuming its consistent.
- The social context of Blizzard as a company CANNOT be removed, DF came out amidst some very serious controversies and a lot of people left the game because of them.
- You are assuming all of these numbers will rise but, for example, KSM could fall. The KSM % is based on each unique player that achieves it. Most of the diehard/skilled players have already achieved this, you could see that percentage fall if the new players playing M+ can’t push to a +5. Once again, won’t know until we do.
You aren’t addressing these problems. You keep circling around one point without touching on these major issues in your argument. Once again, do you want to keep circling? Its up to you.
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Because they could.
To slowly phase it out.
You can say that about literally any bit of content in this game, that it would be better to have people with the desire to improve and play well, it’s not specific to M+.
It should require a higher tier of coordination and awareness, it’s endgame content, it’s not supposed to be easy. If you don’t know how to play properly or know what to kick, know dungeon mechanics, etc, you shouldn’t be able to just walk in and complete it for no effort at all.
The only things you cannot get that would be comparable would be jewelry, maybe special weapons, and trinkets. With the catalyst you can just get the item from raid by using any regular item you get from vault or from dungeons.
I also never understand the argument of the whole “top 10%/top1%/elitist” being the only ones that can benefit. It’s literally a skill issue flat out. You want that gear? Get better and do the content. Look at logs, watch guides, watch replays, there’s so many resources out there for improvement.
Not to mention, if you aren’t even capable of doing the content that would afford you the top BiS gear, you HAVING BiS gear is largely irrelevant.
I will absolutely agree that the crest farm and valorstone farm really sucks right now, like not even being able to get one upgrade for one item per key timed sucks so much. Not to mention there being a massive oversaturation of DPS players compared to tanks and healers, making the 7-9 key range which is best for farming dungeon drops and crests for the gear you’d want, absolutely awful to work with.
Still though, you’re not owed a spot in someone’s key just because you have done it once before on another toon or even that one, just make your own group. Sure it sucks when it’s not the key you want, it doesn’t drop gear you want, or not a dungeon you enjoy, but it’s just the grind man.
A lot of people romanticize what happened “back in the day” before M+, but literally all you could do was raid back then, and if you weren’t raiding as a PVE player you really had nothing to do and absolutely no avenue of even glimpsing anything past heroic dungeons. It may not be perfect what we have now, but at least we have something.
Because they have a clueless group of clowns running the show now.
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Mythic+ is now one of their esports pillars. so it’s gotta have that esports vibe. it’s not for the normies it’s for the Esports and getting those sweet sweet dollars.
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It’s possible that M+ is getting the same treatment that Mythic raiding got.
We got two raid modes of difficulty that are a joke and one mode that is ridiculously hard.
M+ swings between those extremes because it has key levels all in the same mode.
High levels should be like that. Low levels are hard because players usually don’t know or even attempt to do mechanics or use classes full toolkit.
Okay so off the bat you are wrong about what my argumentation is.
You think I am circling because you clearly don’t even understand why I’m presenting the numbers. You just see numbers and making assumptions.
Brother, you are exhausting. Please tell me your argument succinctly then so that I may AGAIN point out why the data you have chosen is inherently flawed and you can AGAIN circle around this same conversation so I can again tell you your data is flawed so you can again circle around…
You are exhausted because you spent all this time arguing with me about something you never understood to begin with. You jumped in while I was speaking to someone else. You exhausted yourself.
Go scroll up from the beginning and read it yourself. Like I just said you jumped in on this when it was never about you.
So you are already pre-judging the argument. Lol. Yeah, I don’t need to re-explain anything to you.
Again, no explanation. Explain. And please address the issues with the data you chose. Just one point.
And you wont because you are wrong. You have no counter argument. You can’t come up with one. A lot of debaters do what you do, when you realize you made a poor argument you descend into a spiral to try to irritate the person you are arguing with. Sorry friend, actually present a counter argument for why I am wrong or you’ve lost and I’ll just count it as yet another Sosari L.
I told you to go scroll up. I have no need to re-explain myself to someone who openly stated that they made prejudgments on calling it wrong. Are you serious? lmao.
No, there’s a difference. You argued in bad faith by literally saying the quiet part out loud about already determining the argumentation wrong regardless of what it is.
Maybe don’t do that in the future.
Alright, you admit defeat. I know its hard but when you can’t formulate your argument its hard to have a conversation about it. Better luck next time.
I already did. It’s not my fault you can’t comprehend it. You literally spelled it out wrong when I asked you what my stance was and you openly admitted to making prejudgments regardless of what I said was my take.
Why don’t you go time some runs, half of your board is grey.
Oh did I? What exactly was wrong with what I said?