you’re a man after my own heart.
We should be friends.
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I’ve been playing AV since Friday so my war is stuck at lv31. But once AV weekend is over… Im back on leveling him. heh
I like the argument is bosses drop the same gear if you run a non gdkp.
Well lets see…
Non gdkp usually means that most people are going to be extremely under geared… or pugged.
You need to find 40 people that want to actually play like this which is hard in itself.
So then you go to a GDKP and T2 gear pieces are going for 3k… then lets say a Nelths tear drops well that will go for 10k plus… and lets be real if you arent pumping non stop boosting people as a mage you arent going to come close to that…
So you get a few payouts… well that still doesnt equivalates to one or two equips every couple of months from the GDKP payout.
So inevitably what GDKP does is make everything pay to win.
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You can easily make 4-6k a week from payouts running gdkp on one character, and much more if you use multiple characters.
At that rate of profit you can definitely afford to gear a character out at a decent rate, i see really good loot go for minimum bids all the time in gdkps
But people keep hyperfixating on the times items go for crazy prices. You shouldn’t be expecting to be getting bis items like rejuve gems, nealth tears, dfts, thc, ect. Immediately after starting to raid on a new character. You would be lucky to have even half your roster sporting those items after 2 years in a static raid group.
If you could even get 1 piece of loot in a raid lockout you’re already lucky, people are just out of touch with how long it actually takes to gear up in classic regardless of the loot system you’re using. God forbid it takes you 1 month of saving gold to buy your literal best in slot item for the entire rest of the game. Sure you could get carried by a stacked raid and get really lucky with drops and end a raid with tons of loot, but that can happen just the same in a gdkp run, either people need the loot or they dont, if someone outbids you one week, try again next week, they’re not gonna buy it twice.
The people that dont run gdkps keep spreading this narrative that its impossible to have enough gold to afford gearing through gdkps without buying gold, but thats just not true. Yeah of course you wont be able to buy all your p6 bis in 1 month of hitting 60 without buying gold, but unless you’re the GM of a corrupt loot council guild that wouldn’t be happening anyway in any other loot system.
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How would Blizzard stop players from doing GDKP raids, or stop players from gaming the system?
It isn’t their fault or their problem to fix. Greedy players ruin the game, and there is nothing Blizzard can really do to stop that. The players have to change and we know that is unlikely.
Even so, you have options to do these raids without GDKP. You are not forced to raid with GDKP, it is an option people use because they believe that can buy gear instead of putting together a group and killing bosses for free (minus whatever it costs you to raid).
All I’m hearing (even though you’re not saying it/is the point) is “Blizz put in the WoW Token”.
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By ammending the ToS so that GDKPs become an actionable offense. Perhaps let the different Classic Era clusters decide if they want to opt-in to a ‘No GDKPs Allowed’ ruleset.
There are at least 5 separate cluster communities in the NA region and they certainly are not united on their positions for/against GDKPs.
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I would work for free and I would audit the hell out of GDKPs… like IRS type of deep diving into a person finances. LOL
Getting people banned would be my payment. =)
AH Raiding is fine. I may not like them nor participate in them, but there’s really nothing wrong with AH Raiding.
I’m 100% confident those super anti-AH Raiding, are lazy players that don’t want to form their own groups and depend on others to lead groups, for them.
I’ve seen this same attitude towards paid dungeon runs. These same folks will blame that, for the lack of finding groups, when in reality, they’re not even asking (I don’t mean “LFG” I mean “LFM”)/taking charge.
The minute you take charge, I promise you, you’ll get a “legit” (whatever that means to you) group.
You are projecting qualities that are not mine onto me. Whether they belong to you or someone else is another matter. I play with a very small community. Our guild is the entire Horde faction for our cluster (DM/Strat bots excluded). We put together all our groups/10 man+ content manually. I can say with full confidence that none of us welcome GDKPs and would welcome them being outright banned from our cluster.
I don’t see how GDKP could be a justified actionable offense. On paper and if done properly it is no better or worse than something like Loot Council which is also quite bad when done by certain people.
Anything can be scummy, the players need to be the ones to handle that first by not feeding GDKP runs that aren’t at least totally fair and transparent.
Subverts game design of loot being BoP. Also, there doesnt need to be a justification. It’s the ToS. Abide it or don’t. I am all for players policing their own communities however.
No, I didn’t. I’m speaking generally. If that applies to you, then it applies to you. If it doesn’t, then it doesn’t. I merely only responded to whether or not AH Raiding should be bannnd and gave my opinion on what I’m seeing, among certain members, of the player base.
If so, then you should not include things like:
You should pay attention to the word “super”. I’m “anti-AH Raiding” but not “‘super’ anti-AH Raiding”, to the point I call for an outright ban, of it.
Clearly, you label yourself as “‘super’ anti-AH raiding”, but I didn’t see you take the position of calling for an outright ban of AH-Raiding. You’re just against it.
I’ve never in my life seen “gold sellers” come into a gdkp and bid, turns out these “sirs” are actually not interested in spending gold they’d prefer to sell it. They also aren’t good players, so they very rarely make it into runs past MC. They realized they can make more gold getting a cut in a gdkp then boosting for 12 hours. You should see them host ZG’s lmao. I’ve also never been solicited to buy gold ever in any gdkp I’ve ever been in. I’ve been dm’d by randoms with shared realm discords with gold selling ads but thats it.
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Here’s the thing: I am.
But, I didn’t see you call for an outright ban for it. At least, that’s not what I took from your posts.
This, to me, doesn’t call for an outright ban. You want it server specific (which, I don’t see Blizz doing). Maybe, they can test it, on a SoM or something. See, how the community takes it.
Fair enough. My point is that folks can be vehemently opposed to GDKPs and still be full participants in their community’s group/raiding endeavors. Their concern that such activities be reduced to a soulless transaction could be their primary motivation as opposed to shear laziness.