I know it’s frustrating, but I’m just stating that that’s probably why Blizzard has decided to program the Catalyst this way.
No need to start getting antagonistic.
I explained why that reasoning does not work, you have to do instances to produce the gear.
So there is no reason that crafted gear can’t be catalyzed, at least the ones requiring aspects in the end.
If crafting is going to be a pillar of gameplay, it should be convertible.
Tier discussion is largely irrelevant the first month because every spec/class benefits much more from weapon crafts that first month. By the time the catalyst opens at week 8-10, you have only 2 slots you can craft. With the achievement piece too, you would only need 1 raid or vault drop to get it.
So it’s just further timegating really. Nonsensical since tier is huge throughout along with weapon and trinkets - but there we have it.
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If they wanted you do just do x dungeons and get tier after Y time, they would have made it that way.
It requiring aspects is irrelevant. They want you to have a way of filling in missing pieces, not deterministically have a full mythic Ilvl tier set for doing +16s a month before the catalyst came out. Thats why.
The catalyst is a catch up/bad luck protection system (that was buffed to not require a currency or quest for charges this patch), not a maxed tier set generator.
edits: In addition, your suggestion would mean an alt could have a full set of mythic tier in a couple days depending how sweaty they wanted to be after hitting 16 and running with friends/carries.
Allowing you to turn crafted gear into tier would make getting a full set of 447 mythic tier too easy.
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This is nonsense… you can’t catalyst without the catalyst, what are you even saying?
The catalyst has charges on it after it appears, so what’s your problem if someone crafts tier from the vault or crafted? It’s 1 charge per week.
As opposed to getting a random 441ilvl item from the vault and turning it into tier?
We’re 3 months into the tier, 95% of players doing relevant content got their tier in the 1st month.
Any of these claims you guys have is irrelevant.
You are only thinking about the first weeks of a patch.
Because after 4 weeks of the catalyst being out, any single newly created character with friends could make 4 pieces of mythic tier within a day or 2 as long as they had friends or a carry. The catch up on sparks would have them get all they needed while doing the runs.
And to what you quoted: They would get to wear mythic Ilvl pieces and just get free tier conversion each week. You would not have any gear progression besides waiting for charges.
Actually there is, just the warning isn’t blatantly telegraphed and is more within something so incredibly obvious I doubt they figured players would be unable to comprehend the difference between a “crafted item” and a “season” item. One of those oversights because “Nobody can seriously misunderstand this, right?” Kind of the same way coffee cups had to put warning labels saying “Contents are hot” on the cups because people couldn’t piece together coffee which is traditionally hot and people were blown away that the coffee they just ordered and was just made was hot.
Doing this would basically do the thing they tried to prevent from happening in BFA where the only real point to raiding was the trinkets, and the weird proc weapons they dabbled with for a little bit to make the raid items still better than the dungeon drops of the same item level.
Just because Blizzard is trying to make the game less punishing on those that do not raid does not also imply that Blizzard is trying to phase raiding out entirely and is going to start doing that by allowing Mythic Tier upgrades to be given to people who got a crafted item when DoI craps out Aspects Crests for a dungeon that’s about as difficult as a +5 which doesn’t even reward Wyrm crests.
Also not to be that guy but I’m pretty sure when they introduced this system to begin with at all in the end of Shadowlands they made it very clear that crafted gear could not become tier pieces.
If you want me to get really technical for you here goes:
Items have sources. Crafted items are sourced by players, the game does not consider them to be seasonal drops compared to this like Fyrrak’s which are new content with the new season and content you do within the season.
Crafting isn’t necessarily a source, nor are the items from this season. They’re the original crafts we had, just we have additives to increase the end product’s item level. It isn’t like we got a whole new slew of crafted stuff with the patch roll over.
Thus, you are acquiring these things not from content they’ve considered to be part of season 2 and therefore is lacking the first, and most important requirement to upgrade a piece into the appropriate tier to begin with.
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And why is that a problem? Great for them, they’re max ilvl gear now and can sit in Valdrakken like lamp posts. Does it make anyone feel better if they have 447ilvl gear with no tier or 447 ilvl gear with full tier? It makes no difference to anyone else.
I’m not sure what your obsession is with m+, but i raid and do m+, it doesn’t matter.
How did they make it clear?
It’s the first i’ve heard of it and i’ve played all of Shadowlands, raiding, m+, everything.
The thing in Shadowlands that i even created a thread to warn people about, was that players could not create tier gear from offpieces. Nothing regarding crafted gear.
If you just want to sit “like lamp posts” why are you so worried about having it?
The game is a gear progression and content clearing MMO. The design intent is for you to play your alts if you want them geared. There are loads of catch up mechanics (the catalyst included) but are clearly not at raid/M+ Ilvl and that is intentional.
There are so many ways to get tier in the game right now, crafting simply isnt one of them, and I dont think it should be and am glad it isnt. Gearing this patch was far too easy and fast, making it so I didnt have any chase items as soon as the catalyst came out would have been that much worse.
I am not sitting like a lamp post, you made the idea of someone getting boosted by friends.
What are you talking about?
This is about my main character.
- I have all tier pieces
- I had to play a month for the 2 wasted sparks to get them, i got them weekly because i play daily.
- I spent countless hours in M+ and raiding to get the ASPECTS
- I spent the gold that i got from playing the stupid game to CRAFT the pieces
What the hell more do you want me to do???
I don’t have an obsession with m+, already at the strawmans because I disagreed with you, I see how it is. Fair enough then.
In fact, I actually of all things prefer to raid and think m+ was a drastic mistake, an enjoyable one time to time but overall a huge mistake because of the reason I alluded to in the sentence you chose to incorrectly read of your own volition to give me a non-argument.
I think raiding should always be something to aspire to and if players don’t want to, they don’t need to but we also shouldn’t cater to them for it. Playing an MMO which has its main selling point being the raiding and willingly choosing to not raid doesn’t make you special, nor does it make you interesting or some kind of hero. It just means you’re someone who doesn’t like raiding for one reason or another and that should not be rewarded.
Simply put, if you don’t want to raid that’s fine. Nobody should force you, but you also shouldn’t be given items as if you were raiding for consciously making the decision to refuse to raid. No different than like with medication. I don’t like taking it, but if I don’t then I kind of deserve whatever hell befalls me because of that choice.
If I don’t want to work at my job, I shouldn’t get the paycheck every week. There is no “Well I would’ve worked, but you see I have bad anxiety and I’m afraid if I mess up everyone will be mean to me so I just can’t work, but I also would like some amount of money for not doing the job I am paid to do please. =)”
OOOOOOOOOOOOOF
I am SO sorry, man…
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Dude… i raid, i do m+, i do outdoor content, i do old instances, i farm mounts and pets and mogs, i do everything.
Raiding is my main “hobby” because it’s something i do with my dying guild, it’s always dying but that’s okay, there’s plenty of friends to raid with, everything else is a close second.
I got the aspects raiding and doing m+, i got the gold from doing other stuff in game. I played the game every day for the last 5 months since i got back to the game, so before this patch.
If you want to know my played time is: 407 days and 40 days at max lvl on my main.
I do raid, so stop talking as if i don’t.
1 - cool?
2 - you have to do LFR after not playing for a month to get sparks with the catch up. Getting them on Tuesday resets or with catch up is irrelevant
3 - You already get multiple rewards from doing that content (drops, crests, catch up sparks, vault)
4 - 3-4k on a crafted piece in the current patch is not a feat of strength. Since youre playing daily, you more than likely have the mats since you would only be upgraded non embellished pieces to tier, which are by far the cheapest possible items to make of any armor type.
If you have not got a helm, shoulders, gloves, pants, and/or chest piece after supposedly playing daily and earning 240 aspect crests and not one tier piece from vault to make up the different, you are either extraordinarily unlucky, didnt think ahead to put away catalyst pieces, didnt run other available content to get them, didnt do content during that time that awards gear, or are lying.
I outright do not believe you. You are lying about playing daily, or are lying about not having 4 piece at this point. Post on your main and we can see. Since you said you got crests raiding that would mean Mythic, and I suspect thats not true.
Apparently not well enough because if you raided to the degree you’re acting like you wouldn’t be blowing a gasket over not being able to catalyze crafted items into your mythic tier.
The problem is thinking the upgrade track is relevant at all when figuring what can be converted. It’s world boss, suffused, and then raid/m+/conquest.
To both of you, in case it’s not clear, i HAVE the tier gear already, it’s 441, i crafted 447 pieces to catalyze and upgrade the pieces i don’t have at 447 ilvl yet.
I have already earned my tier gear and my crafted gear, there is no reason i shouldn’t be able to upgrade my crafted gear, that i have played the game for in RELEVANT content to be able to craft.
Ok so your entire argument is you want to have 6 more item levels so the entire system should be redesigned despite the many things people in this thread mentioned would be issues?
You did upgrade your tier gear. If you raided heroic like you said you already brought it up to mythic level.
You want to be able to do 16s and make it the highest mythic level tier pieces. I dont think you should be able to do that.
Well you can, but only one piece a week.